Posted on 11/06/2015 11:30:07 AM PST by NYer
It’s not about “smart” people. It’s all about people who spend their lifetimes seriously studying Christian theology and come to one unmistakable conclusion that have gone through great personal and difficult journeys. Sadly, ever since the plague if Protestantism we have thousands of contradictory heretical sects and this is because of low-information Christians. How else do you explain the rot of the Joel Osteens? the Mormons? The Jehovah’s Witnesses? and the vast army of fools who take upon themselves to interpret scripture.
Ahh, more protestant bashing. How common. Can you prove your implied rejection of what the poster wrote, or are you just parroting the mindset learned from the magicsteeringthem?
Plague of Protestantism? LOL, no arrogant disdain there! You are so very typical of the closed catholic mind. May God in His mercy have mercy upon your soul.
How would you call a Protestantism that has split into thousands of contradictory sects? If it cannot be the ONE truth and teaching of Christ isn’t this a plague?
Most Protestant pastors will tell you that when they went into the ministry that they got a call from God...Twenty years later some of these same guys get another call from God...Apparently God makes mistakes and tells them, whoops, I called you into the wrong church...I meant to call you into the Catholic church...
We are living in Satan's kingdom...You have to understand Satan...Satan and his minions don't hang around strip bars and Casinos...Satan is religious...Satan and his ministers hang out in churches across the land...And they've been doing it for a long, long time...
How long did you say your church has been around???
As I said, you will have to deal with it. I am not changing my thinking. Would you like to discuss Heaven and Hell? Now THAT, is truly important.
BTW, didn't you know that satan is at every church service, every mass?
“Most Protestant pastors will tell you that when they went into the ministry that they got a call from God”
That’s what David Koresh, Jim Jones, the pastors from the Moonies; Mormons; and Jehovah’s Witnesses also say!
Go tell that your eminent Lutheran and Evangelical theologians who converted to Catholicism and could no longer swim in the shallow waters of the rut of Protestantism and its multitude of heretical sects. At least they had the honesty and courage of their convictions when the truth became abundantly clear as it did for 11 centuries, before the plague of Luther, for all the saints and illustrious martyrs of the Catholic Church. Today Protestantism is for the Oprah mindset, the kind that flocks to the Joel Osteen and Billy Graham-type vapid rallies.
What is this One Truth???
And of course "until" doesn't mean until in Matthew 1:25.
Another non response wrapped in insults. I'll ask again. Why don't we have evidence from the multitudes of apostolic NT writings teaching without Mary's intercession their is no salvation.
For the record, I consider Matthew, Mark, Peter, Paul, Luke, John, James and Jude pre-eminent theologians. Yet they mention absolutely nothing about Mary's intercessory role in salvation.
Aliska, that was a very interesting read. I’m glad you posted it, even if you thought it was too long. I have very little comment on it because it many ways we agree.
One point I would touch on, in defense of my fellow evangelicals/Protestants. I don’t think we have any shortage of love for Mary, as for any person God has blessed so richly. What we react to (and I think I speak for most of us) is whatever seems to displace Christ as the Mediator of salvation. We have had it argued to us that we are not perceiving these actions toward Mary correctly, that what we think is worship, or reliance upon for salvation, directed at Mary, is more subtle that what our eyes and ears are telling us. But that doesn’t help us at all. From our point of view, saying down is up or black is white just doesn’t go anywhere. And so we come to an impasse. But not for lack of love to all the heroes of the faith, including Mary. That accusation against us is false, and I wish it could be avoided, but it does seem to come up often enough.
Anyway, thanks again for your response. I did enjoy it.
Peace,
SR
I must commend you on your attempts of obfuscation. You stated without Mary's intercession there is no salvation. I stated no such doctrine was mentioned by the apostles. I have to conclude you view the Holy Scriptures as incomplete.
You may want to lay off your examples above. Joseph Smith declared himself a prophet and elevated himself as a necessary intercessor. I can't find where he justifies such using the Bible so he offered a false gospel and made up his own BOM so he could declare his claims.
David Koresh too saw himself as an intercessor between God and man. He convinced his followers what he wrote was from God. Of course a quick examination of the Holy Bible shows us he too preached a false gospel.
Osteen, if you have not heard is taken to task almost daily here as preaching an incomplete gospel. Which means it is a false gospel. How do protestants and evangelicals point out his error. Yes the Holy Scriptures.
The JWs look to the Bible AND what comes out of the watchtower. They have added and subtracted from Holy Scriptures.
So I would be careful making claims the above groups or individuals are grouped with protestants and evangelicals...They are not. In fact all of the above either ignore Holy Scriptures, add to them or both. On this thread your arguments did a good job following their model.
This should reveal to you that protestants and evangelicals hold Holy Scriptures supreme in determining truth claims.
Don't forget another dude named Apollo C Quiboloy. He claims to be the anointed Son of God. What a lame this guy is. He is still alive, living in luxury, while many of the followers wonder where their next meal is coming from.
Koresh and Jim Jones are dead if you did not get the memo. Both cult leaders claimed to be necessary intercessors between God and man. So immediately Bible Christians know them to be false because the apostles taught differently in Holy Scriptures. Same for Joey Smith. He offered the BOM which is not Holy Scriptures.
So we "low information" types can see a wolf because we have God's Word. We don't blindly lead individuals and won't accept strange doctrines which were not taught by Christ and His apostles. Hope you grasp that now.
So we have to toss out your doctrine of "without Mary's intercession there is no salvation." Why? Because Christ and His apostles taught no such doctrine. You are the one with much to explain. Your statement claims the Holy Scriptures are incomplete in communicating God's plan of salvation which is through Jesus Christ and no other.
Claiming more than what is revealed by the Holy Spirit in God's Word is the same thing Koresh, Moon, Jones, Joseph Smith did...and what your arguments here claim.
Is Nancy Pelosi Catholic?
Better yet is Pope Francis Catholic?
Joe Biden?
The Lavender mafia?
Is Liberation theology Catholic?
Catholic charities?
Are charismatic Catholics, Catholic?
What about SSPX?
I have more.
Amen, you spoke for me too brother.
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