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You believe that, and that's fine. Whether or not it actually happened is another matter that isn't going to be resolved by simply asserting forcefully that it did (and most likely will never be resolved).

Again . . . they were there. They remember. The Revelation of Sinai isn't based on the authority of the Bible; the authority of the Bible is based on the Revelation at Sinai.

Maybe you ought to go all the way and convert. Most Jews aren't so keen on attacking other people's religions. They believe what they believe and believe that it's true but don't waste time trashing alternative traditions.

For the better part of two centuries the practice of Judaism has been turned into a "canary in the coal mine" for secularism. We are told that the world must be made a moral sewer so Jews can safely davnen (since "decent people" would supposedly be sickened and put a stop to it). Liberal Jews (who have been in absolute control of the "official" Jewish communal structure) have clung to the philosophy of Voltaire and Tom Paine as if it were the messiah. At one time, believe it or not, Jews actually proselytized, not for conversion to Judaism, but to the Noachide Laws. The radical relativism of Jewish anti-chrstian rhetoric in these later centuries are the result of chrstian persecution and "enlightenment" "liberation."

Rabbi Yosef Mizrachi has debated chrstians and atheists to prove that Judaism is exclusively true, and according to him he gets requests even from places like the Ukraine where people want the real thing.

And again, you neglect the primitiveness of worldview. I'm where I am because of a bunch of rustic militant-Theocratic warrior shepherds, not Albert Einstein or the I.M. Peretz Workers Circle. Maybe you should try reading the Bible and see what Jews were like before they were cowed and tamed by the one-two punch of chrstianity and secularism.

PS What makes you think I don't like you? A lot of what you do is tiresome -- even offensive, but you're certainly amusing, and that does count for something.

Why do you deny what you then immediately admit?

Do regard all religious certainty as evil, or just mine?

If you believe that all religions are equally valid or that conservatism should rest on something other than G-d's Laws, why the blazes are you even here?

35 posted on 01/14/2016 5:00:27 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The "end of history" will be worldwide Judaic Theocracy.)
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Why do you deny what you then immediately admit?

If we had to spend all day together everyday, we'd probably hate each other, but we don't, so we don't have to. The internet is full of cranky eccentric people we wouldn't want to live with, but who make life interesting, so amusement or amazement are more appropriate reactions than hostility.

The Revelation of Sinai isn't based on the authority of the Bible; the authority of the Bible is based on the Revelation at Sinai.

In other words, it's a matter of faith as the documentation is so skimpy as to what actually happened. And just who was there? "The whole people"? That might be definitive if you had testimony from all of them, but you don't.

Do regard all religious certainty as evil, or just mine?

Did I ever say "evil"? Is everything love it or hate it with you? There are people who are certain about their beliefs, but don't always think that what they believe would stand up in a court of law or that it is proven by scientific evidence or iron-clad logic beyond the shadow of a doubt. They recognize that faith has a role in religion and that makes them a little humble in their claims to know everything with total certainty. Moreover, many people are certain about the things that they believe, but don't always attack or run down what others believe as fraudulent.

If you believe that all religions are equally valid or that conservatism should rest on something other than G-d's Laws, why the blazes are you even here?

So Reagan and Goldwater and Buckley spent their time running down other people's beliefs? I didn't know that. I thought they were too busy trying to deal with the problems of the day. My impression was that religion was essential to conservatism, but that carping sectarianism and religious oneupmanship divided people and got in the way of doing what was important.

42 posted on 01/16/2016 11:04:26 AM PST by x
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