Posted on 01/31/2016 4:18:23 PM PST by ebb tide
Life long LCMS (conservative) Lutheran with a son in seminary. I love my Church. I get sound Biblical teaching and do not have to literally kiss the ring of an apostate leader trying to destroy my “church” I have a personal relationship with Christ and firm assurance of my salvation that requires no works on my part to obtain.
How do you like yours? If you do not stand up as Luther did, you fail the test. But you like your goddess worship, indulgences, purgatory, and all the rest of the heresies your sect has inflicted on the Christian world too much apparently.
What is the "constant teaching of the church" based upon? Hope that's not too hard.
There has to be a canon of truth against which the teachings are based.
What is it?
I stand up for no man, but Jesus Christ and the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church that He founded, not a “church” founded by a drunkard.
The Catholic church kicked Luther out for daring to speak out against the corruption and immorality he saw within the ranks of the Catholic church.
Leaving was not his choice. What was he supposed to do? Stand there and watch it and shut up like a good little sycophant?
How is what you're doing so much different than what Luther did? Aren't you calling for the Church to return to what you perceive are its roots, getting back to the basics of *true* Catholic faith, whatever that may be?
And again, who are lay Catholics to pass judgment on what their hierarchy are doing? On what basis do you make the determination that they are wrong?
What's your truth standard that you use?
And how does the uneducated and untrained laity qualify to pass judgement on those who are in leadership over them?
If Catholics really believe that their priests and popes are alter Christus then how do they (you) dare to speak against him? Do you judge Christ as well?
How did the College of Cardinals pick the pope? Under the leading and direction of the Holy Spirit or not?
Kind of like Pope Francis.
Show us where Luther went out and founded his own church.
Catholics like to claim that a lot, but I don’t see anywhere in history that Luther did what they claim he did.
Of course the Catholic church didn't reform. They kicked him out and would not give up on their abuse of power and corruption.
Where’s a cereal box image when you need one?
What are the odds that the worst president in my lifetime and the worst pope of my lifetime, would be serving at the same time. Incredible.
There has to be a canon of truth against which the teachings are based.
What is it?
Such easy questions. The constant teaching of the Church is based upon the revelation of Jesus Christ as handed down to the Apostles and preserved both in Sacred Scripture and also in Sacred Tradition. This is in contrast to the novelties of the so-called Reformers who crafted teachings that were unknown to Christianity for 1500 years.
Further, could not the current pope claim his teaching is catholic tradition?
What do you measure it by?
Further, who gets to measure it and decide if it's heretical or not?
When he cooked up his absurd, un-Biblical, self-made doctrines and either pinned them to a Church door (and written in Latin(!) no less, if it even happened at all) or disseminated them in some other way, I think that was a pretty clear indication that he had left the Church, not the other way around.
Which of the following 21 church councils are THE Truth for Catholics?
New Advent - The 21 Ecumenical Councils
http://www.newadvent.org/library/almanac_14388a.htm
Which one represents the OTC Catholic church?
I think mm’s question is a valid one. Do you not have an answer?
“Can the Church depose an heretical pope?”
Yes, but God has His own of freeing the Church from such a leader.
Why can’t this issue be resolved simply by resorting to the time-tested formula of Sola Scriptura? That should provide the prescription for determining heresy.... Regards.
Martin Luther was not excommunicated for speaking out against corruption but for teaching heresy. If he had limited himself to attacking corruption and immorality he would be counted as a saint today as have many others who did just so.
BTW, how was Luther speaking out against immorality when he approved Phillip of Hesse to commit bigamy?
Did you ever read them?
How about specifics as to which doctrines he *cooked up*?
Your whole church is based on the Latin you are sneering at here.
Luther was a priest and learned in Latin as were ALL scholars of that day. Posting it in Latin enabled anyone of any language to read it and understand it.
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