Posted on 02/23/2016 8:17:35 AM PST by Salvation
Mary is sinless
Mary didn't die.
Mary is in heaven now; doing GODly things.
There are believers; then there are Believers; Inc.
When you READ something, especially the Bible, you should accept what it plainly says without having to reference other sources to explain what it MEANS.
Though the Looking Glass is an exception; of course.
You want us to be more like Donald Trump.
I think CRUZ said that.
http://www.wdsu.com/politics/ted-cruz-trump-cant-beat-hillary/38240606
"For it is written, 'I will destroy the wisdom of the
wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding
of the prudent.'
Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the
disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the
wisdom of this world?
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom
knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of
preaching to save them that believe" (1 Cor. 1:19-21; my emphases).
Jesus as the Head of His new Body selected, not a prime theologically trained rhetorician to invite fellow Jews into the Kingdom of God. Instead, the Holy Spirit moved the least-likely useful disciple of Christ, the one who was always saying the wrong thing unless God put words in his mouth, trying to impress Jesus and others with his self-appropriated authority, the least socially-sensitive and most unreliable instrument available, the just-reborn, newly-Spirit-invested bumbler, to unlock, at the Holy Spirit's bidding, the Gates of Heaven for the clamoring new inductees craving freedom from sin-guilt and desiring disciple-training.
Thus God proved by example that He can use anyone--even barely qualified and reluctantly obedient--to effectively announce free salvation to anyone who will listen, repent, and act on this good, never-before proclaimed access to God as Father, to the Very Holy of Holies, and to eternal life. Hitherto this access was permitted only under the Law to the high priest, head of the Sanhedrin counsel of scholars and other divines, who with fear and trembling could enter and plead forgiveness for all the Jews outside. They waited with abated breath, hoping the offered blood would be accepted. And that only occurred once a year.
So at this Pentecost God used a rudely speaking, roughly-clothed, unlearned, probably illiterate, Galilean fisherman to bring to naught the education of the worldly-wise. Simon bar Jona was the first public relations agent to announce as a herald--speaking in the Spirit--the New and Acceptable Way of Forgiveness of Sins, Salvation, Worship, and Service, freely paid for by the substitutional atonement of Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ, whom they had caused to be crucified.
That didn't make Peter the "first pope"--nor did it make him the primary ruling elder of any of the other churches mentioned in the New Testament. The Spirit had other elders of the Company of the Committed slated for co-leadership. But it did show everyone that anyone, even Peter, could be used to enlarge His Kingdom through preaching Christ crucified. And it would be egregiously egotistic if he had claimed that, right then, at the founding of the Jerusalem Assembly, Jesus was building His new Body on Peter, rather than on the Gospel he was preaching and on its Rock, the Lord Jesus Christ.
Peter was intelligent enough not to even begin to think of usurping rule of the congregation (let alone all the churches yet to come) as an interpretation of what he had been told at Caesarea Philippi, after his first year of training, when he had already been dubbed with the nickname "Kephas" --Aramaic, a stone--when Jesus first saw him at the very beginning.
Yes, Simon did have authority to exercise the Keys; that is, to preach the Gospel of salvation, as did all the others. And he have, with the other Apostles, the uniquely one-time-given authorization in his lifetime as an Apostle who was taught by Jesus directly and intimately with details not available to others coming later on, to establish guidelines for polity and conduct in the time while the rules and history were being written down once for all temporally, insofar as the details agreed with what was already approved in the Heavenly sphere.
At least, that's how the narrative comes across to me.
If Trump says it, it is probably true.
Take your pick...they all mean the same thing.
http://biblehub.com/john/7-38.htm
Still avoiding the point, I see.
Yes, which i referred to as use the gospel-keys to the kingdom, (Col. 1:13)
trying to impress Jesus and others with his self-appropriated authority, the least socially-sensitive and most unreliable instrument available,
But excluding Judas, while his natural leadership and extroverted nature gave us more to work with while the most silent may have had more faults. But the point remains:
So at this Pentecost God used a rudely speaking, roughly-clothed, unlearned, probably illiterate, Galilean fisherman to bring to naught the education of the worldly-wise. Simon bar Jona was the first public relations agent to announce as a herald--speaking in the Spirit--the New and Acceptable Way of Forgiveness of Sins, Salvation, Worship, and Service, freely paid for by the substitutional atonement of Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ, whom they had caused to be crucified.
Eloquent, praise God.
That didn't make Peter the "first pope"--nor did it make him the primary ruling elder of any of the other churches mentioned in the New Testament. The Spirit had other elders of the Company of the Committed slated for co-leadership. But it did show everyone that anyone, even Peter, could be used to enlarge His Kingdom through preaching Christ crucified.
God is still using "stones" who effectually confess the Divine Son of God to build His church with.
And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. (Matthew 3:9)
To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, (1 Peter 2:4)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_term_”Catholic";
A “few years”??? If it didn’t start being used to describe the universal church until 107 a.d., it’s closer to seven DECADES. When the Roman Catholic church decided to declare exclusivity to use the term for herself, it was after many centuries.
More and more these catholic apologists are looking like the followers who drift away from Jesus as recorded in John 6.
There should be a ‘not in there ... Salvation would get a kick out of that one.
It comes across like that to me, too.
Well; that's ONE wayto avoid having the albatross of seven failed churches in asia from hanging around your neck!
Well, uh, let me put that in a little different framework. Often this is said/written in the perfect tense of the verb, which is not the same as the present tense.
The perfect tense carries the idea that an action is done, but that is not the end. The record of doing remains, and the written account has a lasting effect.
Regarding "It is written" means that once written down, the writing never needs to be done again, because what is written stays written, and both the writing and the idea expressed remains in force.
When the record says, "It is written" the sense of recording mens "It (the content of the thought expressed in writing) stands (or stays, abides) written (and the thought never passes away and never needs to be restated as if it were a new revelation)"
That is not the same as using the present tense, which has the sense that whatsoever is being done is an activity still in progress.
If one writes, "He writes poems well" would be in the present tense, an ongoing constantly happening activity, but "Please write my a poem" would be in the aorist (punctiliar) tense (something happening once and over with).
But if you said, "It" (the poem) "is written well" would be in the perfect tense, something written well, and remaining as a record of accomplishment of that snatch of writing.
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I hope I am making sense to you in this. "Saying" something is not the same as reading something that is (or stands) written; and neither is i the same as reading something that was written and once read remains to be read again and again--becomes a part of the cultural literature.
These nuances often become important in giving a precise translation and fully appreciating what the though written really means.
You'll see when you think about it for a while. Here is the verse of Holy Scripture that Paul was referring to in 1 Corinthians 1:19 when he wrote "It (is)(stands) written" the "it" refers to the second half of the Hebrew Isaiah 29:14 passage, which the KJV translates as:
"I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people . . . : the wisdom of their wise shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent shall be hid."
This well-known Hebrew verse Paul translated into his Koine Greek text as:
απολω την σοφιαν των σοφων και την συνεσιν των συνετων αθετησω
and from which the KJV translators gave us in English from Paul's (the Holy Spirit's) Greek:
"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent." So, Paul could say that to him "It (the Isaiah passage) is (stands) written." We, today, can say of the Isaiah Hebrew "It stands written"; or we could say "The passage written in Hebrew and translated by Paul into Greek and after that re-translated into English by the KJV translators stands written:"( so and so.)"
You see how complex this can get? Aaaahhhhh. . . Ok, please let me give one more illustration of the nuance of a word in the perfect tense that just doesn't get carried over in translating it to Elizabethan English. Just before His death, Jesus cried out one word (Jn. 19:30):
meaning in English:
Say that you had to do a long, hard, nasty, absolutely fatiguing but life-saving task, but which means everything to you though it costs you your life, and you get it completely and finally and agonizingly done; then you instantly throw out your arms wide and in victorious exultant death throes shout out for everyone to hear one word that means, "IT'S FINISHED! AND I'LL NEVER, NEVER HAVE TO DO THIS AGAIN; BUT NO ONE WILL EVER FORGET THAT IT WAS DONE FOR THEM, FOR ONCE AND ALL!"
Well, that's what that word means when rendered in the perfect tense. It's not that the job has merely been done (imperfect tense). It's that the job, once done, will never have to be done again, but the effects of it and of the written record will last forever. One word, fitly and precisely spoken, then written for posterity is viewed thus.
"A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in pictures of silver" (Proverbs 25:11 AV)
That's the knowledge of what the mind of a first-century Greek-speaker grasped, a meaning far above one's weak and poor ability to translate something like that into English.
Remember this nugget the next time you partake of The LORD's Supper, eh?
Wow! Feel like I’ve been to the movies ... titled TRUTH.
I don't see any that have your quoted text.
Still avoiding the point, I see.
Yes, you are. You quoted the Bible incorrectly in post 660. That is the point I made. You should be more careful when you use quotations purporting to be verbatim from the scriptures when they are not. You should also identify the translation you are using.
This third degree monkey business is what passes for catholic apologetics.
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