What Does It Mean to Be an Enemy of the Cross?

Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 02-22-16 | Msgr. Charles Pope

[MHGinTN]

m’Lady, you cannot expect someone who has not the Spirit of Life in them to understand theTruth that the Holy Spirit is the Life in the Words thus it matters not which version of the Bible is quoted from, because it is the Voice of Him speaking, even if someone doesn’t say or write ‘As The Scriptures Teach, or Speak, or Read. Jesus put satan in his place by quoting the Scriptures ... “It is written” means little to one looking for escape clauses and searching for nits.

[imardmd1]

I am so grateful for the servants of the Lord who have taken and discipled me, who train people to themselves become disciplers. This is what Jesus set forth as the process by which He would build the church of Jerusalem, and plant other independent, autonomous, immersionist churches in Judea, and Samaria, and in other far-off lands and cultures.

That's what Kephas (Peter) was applying, right away, on Pentecost, while there were lots of people making aliyah to Jerusalem for the festal Pentecostal celebration; people like Candace's eunuch treasurer (even though he was barred from entering the inner Temple grounds proper). What joy he must have experienced to know that Jesus would accept him just as he was!

The Eleven began immediately to recruit more disciples, to induct the regenerated ones into the local assembly by the rite of baptism with authority delegated to them by the Godhead, and congregating those disciples for instruction on all the ways of the operation of the society as laid out in detail to His intimately trained associates.

What a joy it is to you and I to have received those benefits, and even more so, with the instruction by the Spirit through the Book of doctrine and discipline written just for us (which the early churches did not have), available for anyone to check out the fact that we are following it, and not some cult or secret society whose doings are not open to public inspection.

[imardmd1]

AF, I've been following this spat for a while, and have been criticized for reacting much as BB has to your offbeat mode of making comments or replies.

It's irritating that you don't stop whining and carping on the point that BB accurately called you on in Post #591 (click here).

Now, I know that BB can hold her own on this without my help, but let me add my voice to hers in that your self-designated "custom" of presenting Scripture snatches and references to them in such an inconvenient, UNaccustomed way as to be just worthy of me summarily ignoring your replies to me and to others in which you exercise this stupid method.

Now, you can post in whatever way you want that is permitted, but don't expect anyone to be required to read through an inconveniently framed and time-consuming one.

Eh?

[imardmd1]

Yeah. Spot on. Sniping and carping as a distraction from what is germane and to the point.

[imardmd1]

This third degree monkey business is what passes for catholic apologetics.

Actually, I think this nagging and carping is just a way to inflate the number of replies to an article that is listed as 'Catholic' under the "Topics" heading and/or linked with the word 'catholic' under the "Keywords" specification. Whether or not this is the intent, it is what does happen, and makes the hit numbers for the search term "catholic" look good to the site proprietor.

I am very much aware of this effect, as I sometimes help another website on collecting and interpreting hit statistics. We would be well-advised to relocate our principal comment exchanges on threads like those created by MM or Gamecock or Bill Randle or Charles Henrickson, rather on Salvation's link to Charles Pope and the like.

Just sayin' . . .

[af_vet_1981]

Now, you can post in whatever way you want that is permitted, ...

Thank you for your consideration, as may you.

Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness. And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

Colossians, Catholic chapter three, Protestant verses twelve to seventeen,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

[Religion Moderator]

Do not continue to make such personal remarks.

Do not make comments that make the thread about other posters instead of the issues.

[daniel1212]

Not to ALL Jews it wasn’t.

Yet the issue is simple: if person is charged with violating a law which prohibits a person from impersonating a policeman, but in reality he is a policeman but due to the blindness or animus of the arresting officers and judge then they do not or will not recognize him as such, then has he really broken the law, or have the arresting officers and judge?

Charging Christ with breaking the OT law of God since He (and the Holy Spirit) rightfully taught that He was God, uniquely one with the Father, makes the accuser guilty of breaking the law, since this is akin to a case of wrongful arrest and conviction.

Of course, you also have atheists charging God with breaking the Law by killing infants, but infanticide is wrong since giving and taking innocent life is the prerogative of the Creator, not delegated to finite man who cannot claim he is doing what is best, while God can do such things as stop a terminally wicked nation from replicating itself once again and infecting others, and save innocent Canaanite children from Hell (Ezek. 18:20; Dt 24:16; 1Ki. 14:13; 2Ki. 14:6) and not be unjust or otherwise wrong.

[af_vet_1981]

Please enforce one standard for everyone about quoting the scriptures, or are there different standards for different classes of people under your authority ?

[Religion Moderator]

You choose to not comment on the issues in my post to you, but change the subject.

To refresh your memory, my admonition was as follows:

**Do not continue to make such personal remarks.

Do not make comments that make the thread about other posters instead of the issues.**

Referring to your statement: We do.

If a reply is posted by the RM it is to be considered to be applicable to every poster on the thread.

Sometimes “All” will be included in the “to” field as some are not familiar enough with the guidelines of the Religion Forum to know the one in the sentence above.

It would be helpful if you clicked on my name at the bottom of this post and do a careful and thorough study of the guidelines.

As for your question, I will not be baited with strawman questions of that nature nor will I argue with or debate posters.

And you know the answer.

[boatbums]

No.
No.
No.
If you cared so much about accuracy, you would have noticed that I wasn’t directly quoting a specific verse but giving an example of how Jesus and the writers of the New Testament were quite aware of the Scriptures and their divisions by books when they referenced the truths God has revealed. THAT was the point you continue to evade. Like I said...straining at gnats.

[boatbums]

Escape clauses, picking at nits, straining at gnats...kinda all the same thing. Add in revenge and that about explains it.

[af_vet_1981]

You choose to not comment on the issues in my post to you, but change the subject.

I was not aware you were asking for a response. Since you appear to be, it seems to me the source of your concern is post 565, which was not addressed That was the initiation of comments making the thread about another poster which you objected to.

[af_vet_1981]

It would be helpful if you clicked on my name at the bottom of this post and do a careful and thorough study of the guidelines.

"When quoting a source, e.g. a website, article or book – be sure to include sufficient source information for the moderators to enforce copyright restrictions."

Does this apply to scripture ? Does this mean book name, chapter, verse(s) and version for all posters ?

[Religion Moderator]

I wasn’t

You were told that the RM does not debate or argue with posters

Please leave the thread

[boatbums]

Well said. Like saying “it’s carved in stone” - an allusion to God’s writing on the stone tablets given to Moses. Jesus said that heaven and earth would pass away but His word would NEVER pass away (see Matt. 24:35).

[imardmd1]

Like saying “it’s carved in stone” - an allusion to God’s writing on the stone tablets given to Moses.

What a stirring thought, BB! That never entered my mind. But now that you have mentioned it, a couple of Bible verses are brought to mind. One is from Job, telling his 'friends' (hence us four thousand years later, as fresh as dew on the morning glory 'round the door):

"Oh that my words were now written! oh that they were printed in a book!
That they were graven with an iron pen and lead in the rock for ever! "
(Job 19:23-24 AV)

Let the rocks of the world crumble! This will still be graven in the Book of the Rock of our Salvation!

And then, by the Choirmaster of the Temple, the words inspired by the Holy Ghost a thousand years later:

"My heart is inditing a good matter: I speak of the things which I have made
touching the king: my tongue is the pen of a ready writer" (Psalm 45:1 AV)

Certainly the tablets of the hearer's heart, upon which the words of saving faith are engraved forever,
whose writer is the tongue of the grace-acting faithful preacher-herald:

"So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the ρηματος, the Spoken Word of God"
(Romans 10:17, adapted from the Textus Receptus and the Crown-authorized Version).

And carried forward by the blind song-writer unable to read her own writing, but hearing the voice of God and declaring the Gospel words which will be recalled by the worshipers singing them, to the Glory of the Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost, as told by dear Fanny Crosby looking back two thusand years, telling of the Master, The Yet-Present Christ in Heaven and living in our hearts:

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Tell me the story of Jesus

Tell me the story of Jesus,
Write on my heart every word;
Tell me the story most precious,
Sweetest that ever was heard,
Tell how the angels, in chorus,
Sang as they welcomed His birth,
"Glory to God in the Highest,
Peace and good tidings to earth."

Fasting alone in the desert,
Tell of the days that are past,
How for our sins He was tempted,
Yet was triumphant at last.
Tell of the years of His labor,
Tell of the sorrow He bore,
He was despised and afflicted,
Homeless, rejected, and poor,

Tell of the cross where they nailed Him,
Writhing in anguish and pain;
Tell of the grave where they laid Him
Tell how He liveth again.
Love in that story so tender,
Clearer than ever I see:
Stay, let me weep while you whisper,
Love paid the ransom for me.

Chorus:

Tell me the story of Jesus,
Write on my heart every word;
Tell me the story most precious,
Sweetest that ever was heard.

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Thank you so much, BB, for your insight, that God has touched your heart:

"Have pity upon me, have pity upon me, O ye my friends;
for the hand of God hath touched me" (Job 19:21 AV)

It has touched mine, too.

[imardmd1]

Of course, you also have atheists charging God with breaking the Law by killing infants, but infanticide is wrong since giving and taking innocent life is the prerogative of the Creator, . . ."

My dear Bro Dan, please write this hint on the back of your hand:

God cannot sin.

And work from there, ne?

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(Respectfully)

[imardmd1]

Yes, IMO.