HEY!!
Someone else musclin' in on my territory??
Posted on 02/23/2016 8:17:35 AM PST by Salvation
When I made this first (long) comment and reply with the theme in mind, it was not with a view to gainsay the thoughts in the posted article. I do appreciate this aspect of your contribution to the liveliness of the Religion Forum, and am grateful that I could consider myself permitted as an entrant under the topic headings that did not seem to make the thread a caucus or exclusive of non-Catholics.
However the exchanges seemed to take on the aura of a sectarian skirmish that in some cases took on an inmical tone. So, I just wanted to excuse myself for feeling challenged in ways that might have been offensive to your goals for posting this (these) article(s).
But, by all means, do not cease to contribute Msgr. Pope's articles, eh? They always seem to be well-writen, interesting, complete, and easily accessible. I am sure they will continue to draw a lot of readers.
107 years....in the history of a 2,016 year old organization is less that the blink of the eye....The Catholic church was the Catholic church from its CONCEPTION...Just as you were Boatbums from the very moment of your conception. 9 Months is your life is a whole lot larger percentage than a hundred or so years in the history of the church......Get it in your mind....the Catholic church was founded by CHRIST PERSONALLY.
Get it in your mind that your propaganda schtick no longer works. The real church Jesus established is the one where HE is the rock and foundation and every single believer is a living stone being built up into Christ’s spiritual house - Peter said that.
One of my favorite hymns.
Indeed, but when dealing with atheists that will not do, as one must show why He can be just while doing why would be sin for man. The atheist seeks to present himself as morally superior, since he would not engage in infanticide (ignoring that the objectively baseless morally reasoning of atheism can and has easily justified such) yet that God is guilty of such, but which presumes that they are givers of life and omniscient and almighty, so that what would be evil is actually what is good in the light of eternity. Man cannot presume this, and can only justly kill in acting according to God's laws. And Joshua's special conquests were not preceded by mere dreams/vision in the night such as with Muhammad, but unmistakable supernatural attestation that left no other conclusion than that the living God of Abraham was giving the orders.
daniel1212: Indeed, but when dealing with atheists that will not do, as one must show why He can be just while doing why what (sic) would be sin for man.
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Wow, BD!
You know, I'm of an engineering mind, and have never actually taken a course in religion or ethics; so, while trying to stay afloat (so to speak), the pragmatism of extending one's physical existence overrode the leisurely consideration of motive. For me, I'm still engaged in the practice of staying alive, but have (through the illumination of others' minds and souls which they shared with me) come to know that the physical practicality is greatly enhanced by planning, which comes from a sense of time and sequence, alternatives involving mutually exclusive choices to which preferences can be assigned.
There are a couple of ways of determining how those choices might be compared and contrasted. One is pure logic, on which only the speedy outcome depends; and the other is morality, on which both the timeliness and the possible results are factors of both process and progress.
Given some contemplation, one sees that few human minds, if any, can grasp the complexity of all possibilities. So the engineering approach of applying, case by case, some empirically derived effective procedural rules takes precedence, because going back to first principles and developing a best-choice theory for each case takes far too long, and whose pursuit may actually be fatal.
That means that some priorities must be assigned. "Star Trek" author Gene Roddenberry capitalized on the fact that the human engineering approach to resolving inconsistencies is perceived to be far more satisfactory than that of the pure logic Vulcan one, and the apposition of the two approaches yielded a long run of profitable television scenarios, finally becoming passe and wearing out the youthfulness of the actors, yet developing a still existent cultic following.
So in it we see the appeal generated by the underlying human longing for the satisfactory resolution of a perplexing moral predicament. For "Star Trek," Roddenberry was always able to come up with a clear-cut answer to the tensions (right versus wrong) between humanity (Adam and Eve) and an extra-terrestrial enemy (Satan and his demons), as compared to the heartless, emotionless logic of the intermediary Mr. Spock (the Law, perfection, crystalline symmetry of the elements), which sometimes produced a near burn-out for Spock (and perhaps for the audience).
The problem was, that although constantly dealing with righteousness and judgment, the plots never really came to grips with the sin principle as a master of earthlings, and of their torn relationships over its effect. Unlike the TV scenarios, the human drama is often quite messy and unconsolable, irremediable without supernatural intervention.
And that is where the clash between atheistic God-deniers and any kind of interventionists believing in extralogical supernatural spiritual forces becomes evident. The issue is, whose playbook is one to be used to understand--let alone solve--both small and global-spanning agonies over which control of the human spirit alone is isufficient?
For me, after some practical trials, it was and is apparent that the atheistic approach of Godless forces beingin control is foolish. For me, God's playbook the Bible is the one that offers the best solutions (when properly translated, interpreted, and applied), than any heathen Islamic, Hindu, Taoist, Zenist, cannibalistic, atheistic, or any other -istic formulary not based on the sinless nature and activity of the God of the Bible is not only in the end unworkable and heartless, but heartbreaking in that each faithless replication of the DNA inhabited by a human intelligence is finally consigned to a fiery eternal existence both physically and intellectually, to a never-resolvable conflict of synthesis versus antithesis, of flesh against rot, of fire versus flesh, wuthout end.
I am no worse off if my guide, my letter of love, the written and preached Bible, the theme of which is the Anointed Absolute Ruler of Heaven and Earth and His Kingdom of Righteousness and Peace, with the subject being the invitation for Adam's progeny to participate through subscribing to its Plan of Salvation and Sanctification, carefully laid out by The God, implemented by His Beloved Son, and administrated by the Holy Spirit control of a human's solicited contributions to the ongoing continual joy and renewal of eternal life in the Kingdom.
Now, if this approach is wrong (and it is not), I and others like me are, in the end, no further worse off, but yet better off than the laborious life and entropic death of atheists or heathen. Therefore, their theses and practices are still foolish, no matter what their in-process tribulations; and insane if The Bibles Plan and prophecy are true.
God, the God of the Bible, His Bible, cannot sin.
Period.
Resting, resting in Him, from whose covering hand no man can snatch me. (John 10:28)
As a former heavy "Trekkie," I think that what made it special was the well-developed different characters and their interaction, as well as intelligent fiction (although even giving any orders from the captain such as fire phasers at anything close to the speed of light - which themselves would need to be even faster - is absurd). There was no one more opposite Spock than Mcoy for instance. But i had never considered the "human engineering approach" versus pure Vulcan logic.
And that is where the clash between atheistic God-deniers and any kind of interventionists believing in extralogical supernatural spiritual forces becomes evident. The issue is, whose playbook is one to be used to understand--let alone solve--both small and global-spanning agonies over which control of the human spirit alone is isufficient?
It is revealing that some ardent atheists will allow for a "space-seed" hypothesis but vehemently deny the possibility of a creator God and judge.
I am going to pink brother Springfield Reformer on this one as you and him may share some thoughts.
Ahem, make that “ping” Springfield Reformer. Sorry!
I thought pinking someone was a slight puncture with the tip of one’s epee (smile)
See Zachariah 3:8&9 ... the Church Age is the stone with seven eyes, the seven ages of the church body.
Enoch 50:1-5 The Rapture is meant to be a sign, to cause Repentence! As such it happens before the seven years of God pouring out His wrath on those unbelievers left on Earth.
Peter was the first Pope...read a history book and stop listening to the "leader" of your "denomination"...Catholicism WAS Christianity for sixteen centuries...you can call it propaganda if you wish but until the revolution BILLIONS of Christians (Catholics) preached the same propaganda.....then along came ?????? who decided that they had it all wrong......and people like yourself were totally duped into believing that an organization that had existed since new testament day 1 could be changed by a few dissident leaders.....doesn't work that way.
1 Corinthians 9:17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in
him: Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward
Colossians 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
And work from there, ne?
Rome says that Mary did not sin.
Therefore; it follows that...
Rome should be more careful when it uses alleged theology; purporting to be from GOD; when they are not found in the scriptures.
HEY!!
Someone else musclin' in on my territory??
Be VERY sure the cage door is latched before poking the lion.
Bombast and bluster is wearing very thin.
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