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To: imardmd1
Retroactively, the term Christian" -- as indwelt by the Holy Spirit (or pretended to be) cannot go further back than the day of Pentecost on which the New Testament Jerusalem prototype church of Messiah-followers was instituted. For sure, Peter was not saved by faith on the eve of the crucifixion:

It seems to be you are trying to force fit a Calvinist theology on top of the scriptures. The scriptures do not flow from Calvinism. Your concept of their salvation is flawed. The Messiah called the apostles and they followed him.

Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples; And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God! And the two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus. Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, Master,) where dwellest thou? He saith unto them, Come and see. They came and saw where he dwelt, and abode with him that day: for it was about the tenth hour. One of the two which heard John speak, and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother. He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ. And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone. The day following Jesus would go forth into Galilee, and findeth Philip, and saith unto him, Follow me. Now Philip was of Bethsaida, the city of Andrew and Peter. Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph. And Nathanael said unto him, Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see. Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile! Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee. Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel. Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these. And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

John, Catholic chapter two, Protestant verses thirty five to fifty one,
Matthew, Catholic chapter sixteen, Protestant verses fifteen to nineteen,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James
boldness mine

676 posted on 02/29/2016 9:19:03 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981

(Sigh . . .)


706 posted on 02/29/2016 10:55:27 PM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: af_vet_1981
It seems to be you are trying to force fit a Calvinist theology on top of the scriptures.

This?

Said by a fella that accepts Catholic force feeding of 'scripture'?

Amazing!

755 posted on 03/01/2016 5:42:25 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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