Have we truly arrived to a SCHISM?

Spiritual Food Blog ^ | March 10, 2016 | Rev. Joseph Dwight

[JosephJames]

“The Truth will make you free!” (Jn 8:32; Jer 6:16).

[Servant of the Cross]

Related ... "The Pope Himself Says: Your Criticism is Good for Me"

We will know soon ... March 19 Pope Francis signs the post-Synod Exhortation ...

Will the post-Synod Exhortation Pope Francis signs on March 19th be a new passage of this process of auto-demolition? Will he confirm the Church’s doctrine or will he deviate on some points from the perennial Magisterium? And if this is the case, how should Catholics act? These are the urgent questions on the table. Questions that demand all the attention an intelligence illuminated by grace is capable of.

Hail Mary, full of grace .........

[sneakers]

bump to read later

[Harpotoo]

Catholics elected a socialist (AKA Commie) as their latest Pope. Is it any wonder their church is falling apart.

[sneakers]

We’ve survived bad popes before, we’ll do it again.

[SkyPilot]

Then again maybe you won’t.

[Zionist Conspirator]

THE PLANS OF SATAN - the Programme of Antichrist - † IMPRIMATUR † "The first and obvious duty the priest owes to the world about him is service to the Truth, the whole Truth, the unmasking and refutation of error in whatever form or disguise it conceals itself." "The kingship of Christ" Imprimatur: † 1953 "Satan spreads perplexity and disorder in minds by confusing the "false tolerance of Liberalism," by which equal rights are granted to truth and error.." "Jewish Naturalistic (Global Zionism) opposition to Christ the King is keeping Catholics blind to the danger that is arising from the clever extension of the term “Anti-Semitism,” with all its war-connotation in the minds of the unthinking, to include any form of opposition to the Jewish Nation’s naturalistic aims. For the leaders of the Jewish Nation, to stand for the rights of Christ the King is logically to be “anti-Semitic.”' "In the work of elimination of the supernatural life from society, the Jewish nation has been powerfully aided by Freemasonry." "A day will come when the Jewish Nation will cease to oppose order and will turn in sorrow and repentance to Him Whom they rejected before Pilate. That will be a glorious triumph for the Immaculate Heart of Our Blessed Mother. Until that day dawns, however, their naturalistic opposition to the True Supernatural Order of the world must be exposed and combated."

Anti-Semitic passage. What is Free Republic coming to???

It takes brass to accuse Jews of naturalism when the Catholic Church has done more to spread evolutionism and higher criticism throughout the religious world than any other group in history. It also takes a lot of guff to accuse the Jews of opposing the messianic kingdom when the whole Catholic "social kingdom" thing is a non-literal repudiation of a genuine literal G-dly messianic kingdom.

It's too bad you ruined your post with this passage. Everything else was spot on, but you just couldn't resist.

[gbscott1954]

Don’t want to insult any Catholic on the list. After all, this is your backyard fight. But maybe it might be time to go back to the Bible and see what the Lord says about morals, etc.

[wideawake]

It’s particularly offensive because it quotes Teresa Neumann - the spiritual advisor of Fritz Gerlich, who was martyred by the Nazis for his philoSemitism and open contempt of National Socialism.

[SpirituTuo]

There is a lot to read in the post, and truth.

However, I was concerned when I read the mention of the parish being “taken away,” from the priest. Usually, there is more to the story.

Finally, I think the whole thing goes off the rails with the Jews and Masonry thing.

Unfortunately, much of this reads like the fevered musings of a well-intentioned, genuine, person who is slightly off track.

[Zionist Conspirator]

I notice that with the exception of wideawake none of the posters on this thread seem to have a bit of a problem with blaming the Jews for "naturalism" and the current crisis in the Catholic Church.

Shame on all of you. As long as I am on this forum I will continue to protest every Jew-hating post that I see.

Genesis-hating evolutionist hypocrites!

[Servant of the Cross]

If it helps to console you, I read only about several paragraphs into the thread and commented solely on the idea of the "schism" and the soon to be released "Post Synod Exhortation".

I do not feel "shame" or like a "Genesis-hating evolutionist hypocrite."

For the record, like SpirituTuo, I believe that "the whole thing goes off the rails with the Jews and Masonry thing."

Shalom.

[headsonpikes]

Wait! There’s more!!

Absolute piles of dead electrons.

[Wyrd bið ful aræd]

What I find interesting is that Jewish naturalism was recognized as early as 1953. It's not conducive towards the pursuit of truth to have a knee-jerk reaction and brand anything not glowingly positive as "anti-Semitic."

You're getting a bit mixed up comparing evolution, for example, to the author's impression of Jewish naturalism. Catholic thought on the matter fundamentally seeks to explain how God chose to accomplish something, rather than explain God away. The tendency in Jewish naturalism is to seek to somehow preserve "Jewish life" or the "Jewish experience" without the sole reason for the existence of Judaism -- God Himself.

The proof is in the pudding. Jews in the US are overwhelmingly non-practicing, and 90% of Jews in Israel, last I saw a number, identify as non-practicing. And yet, they maintain their identity as a Jewish people and a Jewish state. The reason for this is the implicit, and in some circles explicit, rise in Jewish naturalism. There has been quite a lot of scholarship on the subject, but the gist is that to the vast majority of Jews, most particularly Israeli Jews, have developed a sense of identity, a form of religion-based nationalism, if you will, that is devoid of God. The form, the functions, the rituals (Bar Mitzvahs, etc), are all mere tools that reinforce the communal sense of a Jewish identity. I would hazard a guess that most Israelis don't go around thinking, "my outlook on life is informed by Jewish naturalism." It gets stickier, in terms of polite discussion, when this sense of Jewish identity butts heads with Catholicism, but the truth is that the Social Kingship of Christ is incompatible with Jewish naturalism.

It's interesting to trace the rise of Jewish naturalism going back all the way to the OT. The Jews existed not just as an ethnic group, but an ethnic group that was chosen by God. While the Romans, Greeks and everyone else freely adopted and renamed and worshiped each other's gods, the Jews, those peculiar people, refused to even acknowledge any God but their own. Getting beat on by just about every other nation in the ancient world at one time or another made them dig in their heels even more and hold their identity close. And so it went right up to the 1940's, and into today.

There is no other example of a group of people clinging so tenaciously to a religio-ethic identity, even in the midst of the abandonment of faith itself except maybe Catholic Spain, which of course doesn't date back anywhere close as far as the Jewish.

This isn't antisemitism. It's merely a study on the social trajectory of Jews through history. I won't deny that some people can mix in antisemitism when discussing the incompatibility of the Social Kingship with Jewish naturalism (just as those coming from the other end of the argument can mix in anti-Catholicism), but that doesn't mean that any and every acknowledgement of the incompatibility includes and arises from some kind of hatred towards Jewish people.

[JosephJames]

Did you go to the Web site of this reference? How normal it is for each of us to judge or categorize the few words that we see without taking the time to read the reference article which also has many references.
If we are honest, I think we will agree that we are more influenced by the highly controlled mass media than we realize or even want to admit. Those who control the mass media certainly put themselves before the public in a good, and even deceptive light.
Those who do not submit to the authority that Christ left us, here on earth, automatically slide into subjectivism. I find that I have to struggle everyday to continue to seek the truth and reality outside of my head, from the Creator, despite the fact that “the father of lies” (Jn 8:44) is working overtime in these our days. This also means that if I come across new information tomorrow, I hope with the help of sincere prayer, that I will not shut my eyes just because the new information is not how I want the truth and reality.

[JosephJames]

God revealed to Saint Francis of Assisi these prophecies:
2. “The power of the demons will be greater than usual, the immaculate purity of our religious community and of others, will wither to the point that very few Christians will want to obey the true Sovereign Pontiff and the Roman Church with a sincere heart and perfect charity. At the decisive moment of this crisis, a personage not canonically elected, raised to the Pontificate, will endeavor to administer shrewdly to many the MORTAL POISON of his error.”
7. “Some preachers will keep silent about the truth and, denying the truth, they will trample upon the truth. The sanctity of life will be held in derision by those who only profess it outwardly, and for this reason Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a worthy Pastor, but a destroyer.”
(http://spir-food.blogspot.it/2013/11/prophecy-st-francis.html).

[JosephJames]

I agree. But just as Christ went through His passion, crucifixion and burial, before the resurrection, so too, His Body, His Bride, the Church. The few who remain faithful to the Truth that does not change with the world will even cry out with Christ in this period: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me!”
Yes afterwards will be the resurrection, but how many will flee from the passion and even deny Christ, Who is the Truth, in this period?!?

[Zionist Conspirator]

For the record, like SpirituTuo, I believe that "the whole thing goes off the rails with the Jews and Masonry thing."

You two have my thanks and appreciation for that, at least . . . the Jewish part, not necessarily the Masonic. The Masons are a secret society and theoretically could be up to anything. Jews are not a secret society nor are there any secret oaths or rituals.

[JosephJames]

As you pointed out, so many people are non-practicing. How many baptized Christians and Catholics really practice their faith? How many Christians say the Our Father, “Thy will be done”, but live “my will be done”. The more one has received from God the more he can do good or evil according to how he uses what he has received. The Jews have received much; Chrisians even more. There are good Jews and bad Jews; there are good Christians and bad Christians.
Just as a General in a war has more power and responsibility, so too in the spiritual battle. A bishop is like a General in this spiritual battle. But many bishops today have followed the way of Judas Iscariot.
I love the Jews, as I love everyone, but I do not close my eyes that they have received much from God. I also do not close my eyes to documents that indicate which groups have the most control of this world. Just because the few very rich Jews do what they do, we should not lump all Jews together in the same group or category.
There are many many Jews who have become Christian in the last several decades but in a silent way that you do not find in the mass media.

[Wyrd bið ful aræd]

"As you pointed out, so many people are non-practicing. How many baptized Christians and Catholics really practice their faith?"

The difference is that non-practicing Christians don't tend to cling to a Christian identity, and do tend to be dispersed in society. The Jews have nation that is build on their identity, along with the collective experience of being a distinct, unique religio-ethnic group dating back to deep antiquity.