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To: imardmd1; verga; Elsie; ealgeone; daniel1212; metmom; aMorePerfectUnion
You asserted, "... rather than work some kind of unnatural migration of His reassembled Person through solid rock." You wording is deceitful. I did not even imply that Jesus disassembled then reassembled His body. The body Jesus took to the locked room to meet with His disciples was the same body that died on the cross, less the blood that was in it before the soldier pierced His side with a spear and water and blood gushed forth. So He can enter a locked and shuttered room without unlocking the doors or windows but rock is too tough for GOD with us?

Ya know, there comes a point when this obsessive effort you're putting forth takes on the appearance of, well, obsessive compulsive.

Matthew 28:1 After the Sabbaths, around dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to take a look at the burial site. 2 Suddenly, there was a powerful earthquake, because an angel of the Lord had come down from heaven, approached the stone, rolled it away, and was sitting on top of it. 3 His appearance was bright as lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. 4Trembling from fear, even the guards themselves became catatonic. ISV

1 And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre, 2 and lo, there came a great earthquake, for a messenger of the Lord, having come down out of heaven, having come, did roll away the stone from the door, and was sitting upon it, 3 and his countenance was as lightning, and his clothing white as snow, 4 and from the fear of him did the keepers shake, and they became as dead men. 5 And the messenger answering said to the women, ‘Fear not ye, for I have known that Jesus, who hath been crucified, ye seek; 6 he is not here, for he rose, as he said; come, see the place where the Lord was lying; 7 and having gone quickly, say ye to his disciples, that he rose from the dead; and lo, he doth go before you to Galilee, there ye shall see him; lo, I have told you.’ Young's Literal Translation

I am astonished at your desire to diminish the Lord. You asserted: "Nowhere in the gospels is it shown that Jesus dematerialized or rematerialized His pre-resurrection natural body of flesh, bone, and blood" And from your own assertion you draw the conclusion that He did not do this with the post resurrection body? Way back in Daniel 5 we see someone in a different where/when reaches forth to the where/when of palace party central and with only the hand showing writes upon the wall. Was that an Angel, or a Christophany? I don't know, perhaps you are more knowledgeable? The miraculous was not a hard thing with Jesus, pre-crucifixion. And after He was resurrected, He was still Jesus, the place, time, and person where The God of Creation intersected our where/when. Jesus taught that Physics lesson to the disciples, as shown in John 14.

Luke 24:30 While he was at the table with them, he took the bread, blessed it, broke it in pieces, and gave it to them. 31 Then their eyes were opened, and they knew who he was. And he vanished from them.

John 20:26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”

And I will leave you one last point to feed your ego trip in trying to rebuke me:

John 20:6 the word κείμενα gives a sense of the linens lying yet, as if they lay there in the shape of Jesus but He is not in them any longer.

1,108 posted on 03/27/2016 8:40:42 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: MHGinTN
The point is, you've been trying to ptove with the posts you've made that somehow Jesus was not born. It's not working.

Actually, I don't believe that you've honestly dealt with the inconsistencies of your conjectures. I have a Bible, actually more than one, and know what it says and what it does not say.

I myself like to speculate, but it's easier to put one to rest when the Bible doesn't support it. It looks like you're trying to convince others of doctrinal innovations when they won't bear close examination.

And personally insulting remarks to others in your posts are not advancing your theories, either.

1,109 posted on 03/27/2016 11:06:54 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: MHGinTN
Luke 24:30 and John 29:26 are not about His pre-resurrection natural body of flesh, bone, and blood. Cleopas and pal did not recognize Him until they saw His hands, ditto Thomas. More later.

On the insults, no problem. I consider the quality of the source. Were they from someone reliable and humble, I'd be troubled, but not re this spew.

1,111 posted on 03/28/2016 3:22:33 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: MHGinTN; imardmd1
I don't have a horse in this race at this time, but there are several points:

Joh 20:17 Jesus saith to her: Do not touch me: for I am not yet ascended to my Father. But go to my brethren and say to them: I ascend to my Father and to your Father, to my God and to your God.

Joh 20:19 Now when it was late the same day, the first of the week, and the doors were shut, where the disciples were gathered together, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst and said to them: Peace be to you.

Joh 20:26 And after eight days, again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them. Jesus cometh, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst and said: Peace be to you.

Now I know that Matthew 28 directly contradicts the admonition in John about physical contact, consequently it raises a interesting point about the post resurrection glorified body's substance.

1,113 posted on 03/28/2016 7:52:24 AM PDT by verga (Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutley.)
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