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To: ealgeone
Here you are:

There were also many women there, looking on from afar, who had followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering to him; among who were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee.”

(Matt. 27:56; see also Mark 15:40).

James was a relative of Jesus - a more or less distant cousin.

It's important to realize that the Bible wasn't written in modern English.

'Brother' is often used as a translation of adelphos but adelphos does not mean 'brother'. A better translation - following the actual use of the word in scripture - would be 'kinsman' or perhaps 'close relative'.

Lot, for example, is called Abraham’s "brother" even though he was actually Abraham’s nephew.

Similarly, Jacob is called the "brother" of his uncle Laban.

From 1 Chronicles: Kish and Eleazar were the sons of Mahli. Kish had sons of his own, but Eleazar had no sons, only daughters, who married their "brethren" - the sons of Kish. These "brethren" were really their cousins.

24 posted on 03/12/2016 10:11:18 AM PST by agere_contra (Hamas has dug miles of tunnels - but no bomb-shelters.)
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To: agere_contra

So what’s the big issue that Mary had sex with her husband?

Does it make her a better person?

Does it make her more holy?

Would it have been sin for her to do that?

How would it affect Jesus’ redemption of mankind if she had sex after He was born?


27 posted on 03/12/2016 10:15:51 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: agere_contra
Nonsense.

Adelphos means *brother* as in sibling.

The people in Jesus' day weren't stupid. They knew the difference betweev *brother* and *cousin*.

Mary of the Bible certainly did have other children...

Psalm69:8 I have become a stranger to my brothers, an alien to my mother's sons.

Matthew 1:24-25 When Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him: he took his wife, but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.

Matthew 12:46-47 While He was still speaking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him. And someone said to Him, “Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside seeking to speak to You.”

Matthew 13:55 “Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?

Mark 6:2-3 And when the Sabbath had come, He began to teach in the synagogue; and the many listeners were astonished, saying, “Where did this man get these things, and what is this wisdom given to Him, and such miracles as these performed by His hands?”... “Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James, and Joses, and Judas, and Simon? Are not His sisters here with us?”

John 2:12 After this He went down to Capernaum, He and His mother, and His brothers, and His disciples; and there they stayed a few days.”

Acts 1:14 These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers.

1 Corinthians 9:4-5 Do we not have a right to eat and drink? Do we not have a right to take along a believing wife, even as the rest of the apostles, and the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?

Galatians 1:19 But I did not see any other of the apostles except James, the Lord’s brother.

Strong's Concordance

http://biblehub.com/greek/80.htm

adelphos: a brother

Original Word: ἀδελφός, οῦ, ὁ

Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine

Transliteration: adelphos

Phonetic Spelling: (ad-el-fos')

Short Definition: a brother

Definition: a brother, member of the same religious community, especially a fellow-Christian.

Here is a link to the occurrences of the Greek word *adelphos*.

http://biblehub.com/greek/80.htm

The word *sister* (adelphe) in the Greek is the same.

http://biblehub.com/greek/79.htm

The word used is *brother* not *cousin*.

It can't mean a member of the same religious community in the context in which they occur, because then that would mean every man in Israel could be identified as Jesus' brother. So that would not identify Jesus as anyone in particular's brother.

It's not going to mean *brother in Christ* as that concept was not yet in place and the Jews, who knew Jesus as a Jew and knew His brothers as Jews, would not even begin to understand the new birth and what being in Christ meant.

They didn't even understand who JESUS was, much less being a *brother in Christ*.

The only definition left then, is to mean physical brother.

And it would not be *cousin*.

The word for *relative* that is used for Elizabeth is *suggenes*, not *adelphe*.

http://biblehub.com/greek/4773.htm

Strong's Concordance

suggenes: akin, a relative

Original Word: συγγενής, ές

Part of Speech: Adjective

Transliteration: suggenes

Phonetic Spelling: (soong-ghen-ace')

Short Definition: akin, a relative

Definition: akin to, related; subst: fellow countryman, kinsman.

29 posted on 03/12/2016 10:20:54 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: agere_contra
It also conveys the meaning of an actual brother. Again, the context will tell you the correct way to understand the use of the word.

In Galatians, Paul calls James the brother of the Lord. The Greek behind this indicates possession, belonging. James is the brother of the Lord. He is not some distant cousin.

Note also that James and John were common names at this time much as they are today.

Again, context is your key to understanding the Word.

31 posted on 03/12/2016 10:29:26 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: agere_contra

Always stress the ALTERNATIVE explanation.

It’s the Catholic way.


157 posted on 03/12/2016 4:57:50 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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