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To: Tao Yin; omegatoo
The other interperttions are grossly incomplete with out the pronoun 'firstborn' in the mix, and it is in there.

It doesnt say "He never ate chocolate again until the day he died.".

It says, "He never ate chocolate until after he ate it the first time".

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.......and knew her not until she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.

256 posted on 03/13/2016 8:01:48 AM PDT by Delta 21 (Patiently waiting for the jack booted kick at my door.)
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To: Delta 21

Aw man! Now you’ve blown another gapping hole in the Maridolatry catholiciism depends upon! This thread will join the other undead threads, as apologists seek to get the thread pulled while posting all manner of dissonance.


258 posted on 03/13/2016 8:05:02 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: Delta 21
Luke 2:1 In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world. 2 (This was the first census that took place while Quirinius was governor of Syria.) 3 And everyone went to their own town to register.

4 So Joseph also went up from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to Judea, to Bethlehem the town of David, because he belonged to the house and line of David. 5 He went there to register with Mary, who was pledged to be married to him and was expecting a child. 6 While they were there, the time came for the baby to be born, 7 and she gave birth to her firstborn, a son. She wrapped him in cloths and placed him in a manger, because there was no guest room available for them.

260 posted on 03/13/2016 8:10:48 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: Delta 21; Tao Yin; omegatoo

Ah, if Jesus was Mary’s firstborn, who was the second-born, eh? Good point.


297 posted on 03/13/2016 12:54:19 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Delta 21
It doesnt say "He never ate chocolate again until the day he died.".

It says, "He never ate chocolate until after he ate it the first time".

I clearly said the example was imperfect. If you really care about this, you need to read the original language. The word that was used has been translated as "until", but if you look at the original language it is a word that does not make any pronouncement about the future. It really means "up until this point" and then it is silent. You can argue based on an English translation, but that is faulty.

Many believe that the Bible is not definitive about the ever virgin status of Mary. Luther himself believed that Mary was ever virgin. But the important point is that the ever virgin status of Mary was left out of the Lutheran confessions for two reasons. First, the Bible is not definitive either way. Second, it doesn't matter a wit regarding theology.

Today, in the confessional Lutheran churches, there are those who believe Mary was ever virgin and there are those who believe she was not. But no matter what, both believe it does not change the gospel and has no impact on our relationship with God or with our salvation.

631 posted on 03/15/2016 7:46:24 AM PDT by Tao Yin
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