[af_vet_1981]

And I note that the immaculate conception did not become dogma until the 19th century as well, but neither observation is relevant to the current discussion.

However, there is historical precedent. It did not originate out of thin air, historically speaking.

[Elsie]

However, there is historical precedent.

There you go again.

Alluding to something with NO evidence shown.

[Iscool]

However, there is historical precedent. It did not originate out of thin air, historically speaking.

It didn't originate with any of the authors of scripture so yes, it did originate out of thin air...Especially since the scriptures tell us the opposite...