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The Whole Gospel, Please – A Reflection on a Popular Gospel Verse
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 04-07-16 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 04/08/2016 7:34:38 AM PDT by Salvation

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To: ADSUM; metmom; boatbums; MHGinTN; Syncro

And, pardon me, while I go commit the sin of presumption, something I enjoy doing.


581 posted on 04/14/2016 4:51:47 PM PDT by Mark17 (Thank God I have Jesus, there's more wealth in my soul than acres of diamonds and mountains of gold)
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To: ADSUM; knarf
I see that many still do not understand that Jesus and the Eucharist are the same and they do not have faith in the words of Jesus.

Jesus and the tokens of His Passion are not one and the same. To say that any object is invested with His personality is simply incorporating (pun) pantheism into the Gospel of Jesus. Your Jesus is another Christ--of the same kind--yet still another, and not the Christ of the Holy Bible.

Here is the sense, in English, reading between the lines of what Apostle Paul warned the Corinthian assembly in writing (2 Cor. 11:3,4)

I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. "I'm extremely apprehensive that, just as the serpent sweet-talked Eve, by some tricky artifice your minds become corrupted from the uncomplicated belief in the Messiah. For if somebody comes to you, and you allow him access to authoritatively proclaim from your pulpit another Christ of the same kind, one very similar to the Messiah, but still other, not the same as the one we (Paul and Sosthenes and Timothy) preached. Or if he proclaims another spirit of a different kind, not the one each of you received according to our teaching; or another gospel of a different kind than the gospel we proclaimed, you might be tempted to hear him out."

Quoting Albert Barnes, who quotes Paul's next verse 5:

"The most eminent of the apostles have not preached Christ, ministered the spirit, explained and enforced the doctrines of the Gospel in a more powerful and effectual manner than I have done." Therefore with such admonishment the Corinthians ought to pronounce such a gospel anatehema.

FRiend, not only is your Christ a pantheistic one, but your gospel is quite different than the one recorded in the Scriptures. It is one of strange doctrines and "miraculous" signs and wonders, of a spirit domineering your cult churches, but not present in New Testament assemblies. I reject this, and your religion can never, ever attract me away from the Christ of the Cross, The One described from generation to generation by His Word, which is always sufficient for bringing believers back to God and His Son from the religionists who cart the gullible, credulous, blinded worldlings off by the boatload.

I, a human, am not what I eat, and neither was/is The Son of Man the same as what He ate on the eve of His atonement.

582 posted on 04/14/2016 4:55:48 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: ADSUM
This flesh and blood and SOUL and DIVINITY that you believe you eat at the Mass, is that from the pre-crucified Jesus, or from the Risen from the grave Jesus?... Think about your answer then tell us the truth you believe.
583 posted on 04/14/2016 5:08:29 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: ADSUM; metmom

I have no idea where you get your understanding of the Word. Your understanding is foreign to Christianity.


584 posted on 04/14/2016 5:17:33 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Legatus
I really don't know what you believe ...

You don't need to.

I know what you SAY: Holy Mary; Mother of GOD.

That phrase is NOT found in the bible, but Mary; Mother of Jesus is found multiple times.

Quit trying to throw this onto my wall; for it ain't gonna stick.


You can rationalize all day long about why it it's ok to use a non-biblical phrase instead of a biblical one; but I ain't buying it.

585 posted on 04/14/2016 5:55:11 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: lupie
I am slow at posting responses.

Many times I am way too quick!

586 posted on 04/14/2016 5:57:07 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mark17
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

1 John 5:13

587 posted on 04/14/2016 5:58:58 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: imardmd1
I reject this, and your religion can never, ever attract me away from the Christ of the Cross,

OK bro. Thanks for posting. Now, by this, I am really going out on a limb, but could I assume it will be a cold day in hell, before you swim the Tiber? The temperature will have to decrease considerably before I do too. 😀

588 posted on 04/14/2016 6:18:57 PM PDT by Mark17 (Thank God I have Jesus, there's more wealth in my soul than acres of diamonds and mountains of gold)
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To: Elsie
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

1 John 5:13

Discussing brain surgery again, Els?

589 posted on 04/14/2016 6:22:17 PM PDT by Mark17 (Thank God I have Jesus, there's more wealth in my soul than acres of diamonds and mountains of gold)
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To: imardmd1
God bless you for your simple illustration/connection

FR is my source for language and the thought processes that develop it

Thank you, imardmd1

590 posted on 04/14/2016 6:33:54 PM PDT by knarf
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To: Mercat
Regarding the Mass, it is not “required for salvation” but it IS salvation, the time when we are closest to heaven. It is a prayer and an adoration, not a service. It lifts the veil.

Newsflash.

The veil was TORN when Jesus died.

The way to God was opened up and the veil was never replaced.

EVER.

591 posted on 04/14/2016 6:41:45 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ADSUM
Your comment: “Because without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sins.”

My "comment" IS Scripture.

It's right from Hebrews 9:22.

592 posted on 04/14/2016 6:43:30 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Mark17

I don’t think so.


593 posted on 04/14/2016 6:44:03 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
My "comment" IS Scripture.

It's right from Hebrews 9:22.

I think we may have hit upon the problem. A lack of understanding the Scriptures.

594 posted on 04/14/2016 7:07:20 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone; metmom; Syncro
I think we may have hit upon the problem. A lack of understanding the Scriptures.

Don't you think that is a bit of an understatement? 😀😆

595 posted on 04/14/2016 8:30:15 PM PDT by Mark17 (Thank God I have Jesus, there's more wealth in my soul than acres of diamonds and mountains of gold)
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To: ADSUM
Corinthians 3:16-17. indicates that the Church is a Temple of God where there are priestly ministery and sacrifice.

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

You better try again...That scripture says no such thing nor indicates it...And that Corinthian church has no priestly ministry...

As I said before, Jesus is not dying over and over again. It is our offering to God that he completes

By eating a wafer you are making a sacrifice to God???

and changes the offering of the Bread and Wine into His Body and Blood through the actions of the priest.

Can you show the source of the revelation that a priest's actions change bread and wine into flesh and blood??? You can't use a bible because it's certainly not in there...The earliest church fathers didn't mention it so you didn't get it from them...

596 posted on 04/14/2016 8:50:56 PM PDT by Iscool (Trump/Kasich...A winning team...)
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To: Elsie; Mark17
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

1 John 5:13

John sounded rather, presumptuous...

597 posted on 04/14/2016 8:55:27 PM PDT by Iscool (Trump/Kasich...A winning team...)
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To: Iscool

We who believe in Him HAVE eternal life in us, not by our presumption but by His Promise.


598 posted on 04/14/2016 9:08:53 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: Mark17
The route through the Tiber to the Palatine you describe will be a sea of blazing holy oil for all who use penance as a way of escaping repentance at the foot of the Cross.

There will be a day when half the distance around the world does not separate us, Bro. I'm looking to that day. Bring M.

599 posted on 04/14/2016 10:17:39 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: knarf
Thank you, imardmd1

Thank Jesus for His gift of Paul of Tarsus (Acts 9:3-6, Eph. 4:8,11)

Be made complete, Sojourner! (Eph. 4:12-16)

600 posted on 04/14/2016 10:24:51 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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