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To: ADSUM
I see that many still do not understand that Jesus and the Eucharist are the same and they do not have faith in the words of Jesus.

And we see catholics still do not understand the Mass is against the New Testament.

You've said the eucharist is a true sacrifice.

The Eucharist is a true sacrifice, not just a commemorative meal, as “Bible Christians” insist.

However, that is exactly what the Lord's Supper is. Do this in remembrance of Me. The Greek word for remembrance means a recalling, remembrance, memory.

If one studies the Word, one knows that blood was never consumed in any of the sacrifices.

One also knows the Jerusalem Council, where Peter was along with all of the disciples, sent the following note “For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials: 29that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well. Farewell.” Acts 15:28-29

At the end of the Bread of Life discourse, the disciples told Jesus, "Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life. 69“We have believed and have come to know that You are the Holy One of God.” John 6:68-69 NASB

We know catholicism teaches it is an ongoing sacrifice of Christ over and over again in direct contradiction of the Word. The Bible teaches Jesus was a one time sacrifice for our sins. He is seated in Heaven. The next time He leaves it will be the Second Coming.

The whole catholic position on this is utter blasphemy and shows a lack of understanding of the New Testament on this issue.

11Every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins; 12but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD, Hebrews 10:11

However, roman catholicism totally ignores this and teaches just the opposite.

“No act is greater,” says St. Thomas,” than the consecration of the body of Christ.”23 In this essential phase of the sacred ministry, the power of the priest is not surpassed by that of the bishop, the archbishop, the cardinal or the pope. Indeed it is equal to that of Jesus Christ. For in this role the priest speaks with the voice and the authority of God Himself.

When the priest pronounces the tremendous words of consecration, he reaches up into the heavens, brings Christ down from His throne,

and places Him upon our alter to be offered up again as the Victim for the sins of man.

It is a power greater than that of monarchs and emperor: it is greater than that of saints and angels, greater than that of Seraphim and Cherubim.

Indeed it is greater even than the power of the Virgin Mary. While the Blessed Virgin was the human agency by which Christ became incarnate a single time,

the priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on our altar as the eternal Victim for the sins of man – not once but a thousand times!

The priest speaks and lo! Christ, the eternal and omnipotent God, bows his head in humble obedience to the priest’s command.

The Faith of Millions: The Credentials of the Catholic Religion, O’Brien, John Anthony Rev, Our Sunday Visitor, Inc, Huntington, Indiana, Nihil obstat: Rev. Lawrence Gollner, Censor Librorum, Imprimatur: Leo A Pursley, Bishop of Fort Wayne-South Bend, pages 255-256 The Faith of Millions: The Credentials of the Catholic Religion

If catholics want to continue to insist in believing Jesus is sacrificed over and over and over again, I cannot stop them from doing so.

Just understand this:

but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD, Hebrews 10:11

531 posted on 04/14/2016 7:02:31 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone; metmom

Your comment: “ Just understand this:

but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD, Hebrews 10:11 “

Please explain why Jesus told the Apostles:
John 20:21-23

21* [Jesus] said to them again,l “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you.” 22* And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them,m “Receive the holy Spirit. 23* n Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained.”

If all sins are forgiven, then why did Jesus give the ability to the Apostles and their successors to forgive sins and to retain sins (some sins that are not forgiven)?

Explain why only one of the thieves on the cross was saved.?

If all sins were forgiven on the cross, then why does Jesus and Catholic Church require Baptism and protestants/evangelicals require “being Born again” to forgive sins?

For your information, The Mass is a sacrifice, an offering to God as He told us to do in His memory. Obviously Jesus does not die over and over again, but our offering to God is an unbloody sacrifice where their is a change into the Body and Blood of Christ.

A definition, By sacrifice in the real sense is universally understood the offering of a sense-perceptible gift to the Deity as an outward manifestation of our veneration for Him and with the object of attaining communion with Him. Strictly speaking, however, this offering does not become a sacrifice until a real change has been effected in the visible gift (e.g. by slaying it, shedding its blood, burning it, or pouring it out). So Jesus completes the sacrifice through the ordained priest when the real change of Bread and Wine becomes His Body and Blood.

Your comment: “The whole catholic position on this is utter blasphemy and shows a lack of understanding of the New Testament on this issue.”

I disagree and your (and other) comments have not convinced me.

I challenge you to truly understand the “whole” teaching of Jesus and not just the parts that you (or the protestants) feel are important. I want you to fully understand the Truth of Jesus. It is not about my opinion, but the Truth of Jesus.


540 posted on 04/14/2016 9:03:07 AM PDT by ADSUM
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To: ealgeone

Your comment: “And we see catholics still do not understand the Mass is against the New Testament”

How so?


543 posted on 04/14/2016 9:14:27 AM PDT by ADSUM
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To: ealgeone; Mark17
VERY well stated

Thank You

548 posted on 04/14/2016 9:36:26 AM PDT by knarf
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