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To: SubMareener
If you can’t understand these statements, the give me a list of “Jewish Mashiachim” and I’ll either pick one or tell you He isn’t on your list.

Fair enough.

1. Mashiach ben Yossef
2. Mashiach ben David

Here's a little background:

Mashiach ben Yossef (Mashiach the descendant of Joseph) of the tribe of Ephraim (son of Joseph), is also referred to as Mashiach ben Ephrayim, Mashiach the descendant of Ephraim. He will come first, before the final redeemer, and later will serve as his viceroy.

The essential task of Mashiach ben Yossef is to act as precursor to Mashiach ben David: he will prepare the world for the coming of the final redeemer. Different sources attribute to him different functions, some even charging him with tasks traditionally associated with Mashiach ben David (such as the ingathering of the exiles, the rebuilding of the Bet Hamikdash, and so forth).

The principal and final function ascribed to Mashiach ben Yossef is of political and military nature. He shall wage war against the forces of evil that oppress Israel. More specifically, he will do battle against Edom, the descendants of Esau. Edom is the comprehensive designation of the enemies of Israel, and it will be crushed through the progeny of Joseph. Thus it was prophesied of old, "The House of Jacob will be a fire and the House of Joseph a flame, and the House of Esau for stubble.." (Obadiah 1:18): "the progeny of Esau shall be delivered only into the hands of the progeny of Joseph."


49 posted on 04/18/2016 1:24:16 PM PDT by Mr. M.J.B.
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To: Mr. M.J.B.
OK, so it was a trick question. Any analysis by people who missed the main point of the Bible, is to be taken with a grain of salt, so to speak, or treated as so much Satanic Gorilla Dust. ;-)

There is only one Messiah, only one Redeemer of the World, Yeshua Ha'Mashiach, called Jesus Christ in English. The whole of the Tanach (Old Testament) testifies to Him. He is the Second Person, the Son, in the Trinity of Persons, Elohim, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, through which the Ein Sof interacts with His Creation from outside that Creation.

The structure of Elohim and elementary particles appears to derives from the Universe starting as three books, or spheres, a long time ago. It is based on the natural numbers, which require twelve axioms to define them. All this is captured in the Three Patriarchs and the 12 Sons of Israel. Grouping the Sons of Israel by their birth mothers in their birth order, we get the organization of the 12 dimensions of the Universe. But that is for another time and another book.

Jesus had two lineages from David. A legal one through his adopted father, and a genetic one through his mother. The matriarchal linage is important because Sin entered the world through the male, Adam's, line. So to be born sinless, Jesus had to have the Holy Spirit as his father.



I hope this helps.
55 posted on 04/18/2016 3:42:05 PM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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