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To: piusv
Sedevacantists are Catholic.

So were the Jansenists. But they were still mistaken. Believe me, I can understand loathing much of what Pope Francis does---most of what he does, in fact--- but we can't jump off the ark and abandon the seat of the Papacy, no matter who occupies it. It's a sad day when you have to pray for the Pope's conversion, but Catholics must respect his office, if not the man. That is where sedevacantists make their error. He could be a terrible Pope, but until he dies or abdicates he's still the Pope. Ours is the sort of difficult era that produces the greatest villains and the most heroic saints.

20 posted on 05/10/2016 3:47:31 PM PDT by Prince of Desmond
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To: Prince of Desmond
Sedevacantists are Catholic.

So were the Jansenists.

Actually the Jansenists were not Catholic. While some viewed them as just puritanical, they separated themselves from the Church by their schism, heresy and attack on the liturgy.

23 posted on 05/10/2016 10:20:22 PM PDT by SGNA
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To: Prince of Desmond; BlatherNaut; piusv
Bergoglio was a heretic BEFORE being elected so Divine Law and the specific declaration of electoral nullity codified by Pope Paul IV would apply. (And that foes for the entire sorry lot from 1958 onwards.)

This, May 10th, being the Feast of Saint Antoninus I thought I would include his declaration of Church teaching if a pope were ever to become a heretic AFTER a valid election.

St Antoninus (1459)

"In the case in which the pope would become a heretic, he would find himself, by that fact alone and without any other sentence, separated from the Church. A head separated from a body cannot, as long as it remains separated, be head of the same body from which it was cut off. A pope who would be separated from the Church by heresy, therefore, would by that very fact cease to be head of the Church. He could not be a heretic and remain pope, because since he is outside of the Church, he cannot possess the keys of the Church."

Summa Theologica, cited in Actes de Vatican I. V. Frond, publisher.

24 posted on 05/10/2016 10:20:52 PM PDT by SGNA
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To: Prince of Desmond; SGNA; BlatherNaut
It's a sad day when you have to pray for the Pope's conversion, but Catholics must respect his office, if not the man. That is where sedevacantists make their error.

It's a sad day when Catholics believe a non-Catholic/manifest, public heretic who teaches the universal church heresy can remain/become the head of the Catholic Church. And to believe that sedevacantists don't respect the office of the papacy or have somehow gone off the deep end is the error that most non-sedevacantist Catholics make when judging sedevacantism and Catholics who are sedevacantist.

26 posted on 05/11/2016 2:17:15 AM PDT by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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