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To: Prince of Desmond
The Office of the Papacy continues to exist, but those elected to the office, beginning with Roncalli in 1958 were heretics, thus no more eligible for the office than a mound of mud.

While there were opposing false claimants to existing true popes in the past, there was never an instance in the history of the Church a valid living pope was a formal heretic.

Roncalli called Vatican-2 and through it, he and his heretical successor Montini set up a counter church not of Christ. Even Bishop Fulton Sheen warned of that in 1948 but he thought it would be set up directly in a Communist capital, similar to what the Red Chinese did with their false "Patriotic Church". Instead when V-2 came it ironically slipped under his radar and he hopped on board.

The Papacy belongs to the Catholic Church, not to the V-2 sect which believes any falsehood of the devil - the more absurd the better.

At this point one can only pray, adhere whole and entire to the true Faith, strive against the false sect which is merely one instrument of Satan to bring about the one world religion of the Antichrist - and wait for Christ to act to vanquish the heresies and restore the Church and fill the Papacy with a true pope.

Some people in trying to be true to Christ are confused and in attempting to be loyal to Him and His Church, falsely equate it with the V-2 sect and blindly accept any atrocity that emanates from it. In their hearts they know it is wrong, but conflicted, they become obdurate and cheerlead for it in its errors even more incessantly.

At most they pine for the "good old days" of the previous heretical non-pope, when things were not quite so blatant, when their consciences would not be so screaming, and they could rest quietly in their spiritual sloth.

They NEVER though seem to pine for the True Church when both Doctrine and spiritual practices were sound.

The V-2 sect is nothing but rotten maggot meat.

40 posted on 05/11/2016 6:43:27 PM PDT by SGNA
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To: SGNA
While there were opposing false claimants to existing true popes in the past, there was never an instance in the history of the Church a valid living pope was a formal heretic.

And we're not in that situation now, either. As lousy a Pope as Francis is, he is not a formal heretic. Pope Pius X in his Constitution "Vacante Sede Apostolica" says: "By reason or pretext of any kind of excommunication, suspension, or interdict or any other ecclesiastical impediment, no Cardinal can be excluded, in any manner, from an active or passive (papal) election”. Again the same is affirmed by Pope Pius XII in "Vacantis Apostolicae Sedis" (AAS 38 [1946], p. 76).

For Bishops and Cardinals to be canonically declared as "heretics" in the first place, it would have had to have been declared by the Pope alone (Canon 1557 & 1558). But this was not the case for Bishops Roncalli, Montini and Wytola. As destructive as their actions were to the true Church, we cannot claim that they are formal heretics based on our private judgment in the matter, anymore than Martin Luther had the right to nail his 91 Theses to the door of Wittenbrug Church. We simply don't have that privilege, however strongly we may feel on the matter.

The Papacy belongs to the Catholic Church, not to the V-2 sect

The Catholic Church as the Sedevacantists in their private sovereign authority define it, evidently.

Some people in trying to be true to Christ are confused and in attempting to be loyal to Him and His Church, falsely equate it with the V-2 sect and blindly accept any atrocity that emanates from it.

To the contrary, many faithful Catholics vehemently reject the doctrinal and spiritual falsehoods produced under recent Popes; but it does not follow that theyshould therefore declare the Papacy of an erring Pontiff null and void. In the words of St. Robert Bellarmine, "Just as it as it is licit to resist the [Roman] Pontiff who attacks the body, so also it is licit to resist him who attacks souls, or who disturbs civil order, or, above all, him who tries to destroy the Church. I say that it is licit to resist him by not doing what he orders and by impeding the execution of his will; it is not licit, however, to judge, punish or depose him, since these are acts proper to a superior."

42 posted on 05/11/2016 10:37:09 PM PDT by Prince of Desmond
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To: SGNA
Some people in trying to be true to Christ are confused and in attempting to be loyal to Him and His Church, falsely equate it with the V-2 sect and blindly accept any atrocity that emanates from it. In their hearts they know it is wrong, but conflicted, they become obdurate and cheerlead for it in its errors even more incessantly.

Yes, these Catholics would still blindly follow even if Bergoglio came right out and explicitly (and "clearly") said and taught that Jesus Christ is not God. 'Cuz you can't use your God-given reason and dare make a "private judgment".

Hypocrites at best.

47 posted on 05/12/2016 2:46:52 AM PDT by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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To: SGNA
Some people in trying to be true to Christ are confused and in attempting to be loyal to Him and His Church, falsely equate it with the V-2 sect and blindly accept any atrocity that emanates from it. In their hearts they know it is wrong, but conflicted, they become obdurate and cheerlead for it in its errors even more incessantly.

Yes, these Catholics would still blindly follow even if Bergoglio came right out and explicitly (and "clearly") said and taught that Jesus Christ is not God. 'Cuz you can't use your God-given reason and dare make a "private judgment".

Meanwhile they can make private judgments all day long about their true pope's liturgy, discipline/canon law and teachings.

Hypocrites at best.

48 posted on 05/12/2016 2:47:51 AM PDT by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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