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To: WVKayaker
I won't debate you on doctrinal differences but I will disagree with one of your points. Canons 846-848 and 851 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church published in 1997 sees the Church as much broader than you suspect. I concede that many statements of early and Reformation era Roman Catholic leaders would have it that formal membership in the Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation. That does not seem to be the current belief and I do not share such a belief that non-Catholics are excluded from heaven.

One problem is the idea of God as the Eternal and merciless accountant in the sky, engaged in a never-ending game of gotcha looking for excuses to send people to hell. That's not my idea of God and I would bet it is not yours either.

My belief as to God is that there is one and only one God, manifested in three Persons: the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit, that He always was, always will be and always remains the same, that He is omniscient, omnipresent, all good, just and merciful and that He was born into this world through Mary who obeyed God and accepted voluntarily her role as the mother of Jesus Christ in response to God's request conveyed by the Archangel Gabriel at the annunciation. It was necessary for the salvation of any human that Jesus Christ be born into this world, live, engage in public ministry, suffer under the Roman governor Pontius Plate, and be put to death in atonement for human sins. No human can earn or merit his/her own salvation and only a Divine sacrifice could atone for human sins against the will of the Creator of humanity.

I do, as a Catholic, disagree with a lot of what you posted but I do not allow myself the luxury of arguing theology with my Reformed brothers and sisters in Christ. I am too busy being impressed by the saintly adherence of so many of them to the God that I worship and His standards. I have had the privilege of representing many of them as an attorney in pro-life causes like abortion mill "rescues" and representing each according to his or her own beliefs rather than my own (if we differed in any respect).

Pray for me as I pray for you.

God bless you and yours, now and forever!

38 posted on 05/20/2016 6:31:55 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: BlackElk; knarf
I won't debate you on doctrinal differences but I will disagree with one of your points. ...I do, as a Catholic, disagree with a lot of what you posted but I do not allow myself the luxury of arguing theology with my Reformed brothers and sisters in Christ.

What a lawyerly way of putting it! I would expect nothing less from a fully-indoctrinated follower of that cult.

But, where you fail is in giving an argument from your inside source, while rejecting any argument for/from Scripture. I care less about your indoctrinal studies and cathecisms. They reflect much distrust in Scripture while relying on the fallible words of the Roman Catholic cult. When you begin to add all of the Roman Catholic Mary WORSHIP and place special efforts to recognize some people as "saints', you disagree with the same Word of God that I use as my guide.

I place my trust in Almighty God, and I get my "marching orders" from His Holy Spirit. The Roman Catholic cult is based on following the ideas of men, not the teachings bestowed on us by God. Whereas the RCC claims to be the author of the Scriptures, I insist that, though God has used men to pen His thought and Words, they are direct from the Throne.

When you say that any "current belief" of your cult is different now, that just weakens the authority of any alleged infallibility of the cult. My God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Amen!

Hebrews 13: ...8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

9 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings. It is good for our hearts to be strengthened by grace, not by eating ceremonial foods, which is of no benefit to those who do so. 10 We have an altar from which those who minister at the tabernacle have no right to eat.

11 The high priest carries the blood of animals into the Most Holy Place as a sin offering, but the bodies are burned outside the camp. 12 And so Jesus also suffered outside the city gate to make the people holy through his own blood. 13 Let us, then, go to him outside the camp, bearing the disgrace he bore. 14 For here we do not have an enduring city, but we are looking for the city that is to come. 15 Through Jesus, therefore, let us continually offer to God a sacrifice of praise—the fruit of lips that openly profess his name.

41 posted on 05/20/2016 7:00:41 PM PDT by WVKayaker (What separates the winners from the losers is how a person reacts to each new twist of fate -D.Trump)
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