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To: Zionist Conspirator
And who can forget when the crafty Hillary took one thousand dollars from the American Muslim Council and fifty thousand dollars from the American Muslim Alliance during her Senate campaign in 2000? Both groups openly support terror against Israel and praised Hamas. She was forced to return the money when word got out, despite her attempt to hide the donation by writing down the “American Museum Council” on the donor report.

There is plenty in this article we can wholeheartedly agree with each other on. Chiefly the utter downfall of our nation if we continue to elect immoral, dishonest and power/money hungry reprobates. Hillary would certainly NOT be a good thing to happen to us.

BUT...I completely reject yours and the author's opinions that Jesus is a pagan/man-god and that Christianity has "failed". It is ironical to me how it is extolled that America has been such a friend and protector of Jews and Israel while missing completely the FACT that it is/was because America was a CHRISTIAN nation that she had these responses to Jews. Our Christian faith includes the same canon of Scripture as the Jews (re: the Old Testament) and our acceptance of Jesus Christ as the Messiah and the incarnate Son of God is precisely because of the ancient witness of the Jewish prophets of Almighty God.

No, Christianity has certainly NOT failed - though some Christians fall well short of following the ideal set by our Savior. The faith has always and always will convert the soul of man from dead works of the stone-hearted flesh with its lusts and pride and create within a heart of flesh that desires to serve God and bring honor and glory to His name. The special love for the Jewish people stems from the SAME love Almighty God has for them and Christ followers know that truth most deeply because we have been indwelt with His Holy Spirit.

14 posted on 07/13/2016 11:26:24 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums
BUT...I completely reject yours and the author's opinions that Jesus is a pagan/man-god and that Christianity has "failed". It is ironical to me how it is extolled that America has been such a friend and protector of Jews and Israel while missing completely the FACT that it is/was because America was a CHRISTIAN nation that she had these responses to Jews. Our Christian faith includes the same canon of Scripture as the Jews (re: the Old Testament) and our acceptance of Jesus Christ as the Messiah and the incarnate Son of God is precisely because of the ancient witness of the Jewish prophets of Almighty God.

Having once been where you are and believed what you believe, I know that there isn't much I can say that you will listen to. Your arguments seem to be based on two points:
1)America is a chrstian nation.
2)Chrstianity is true because it is authorized by the Bible.

As to the first argument, it literally does not matter which religion is the traditional American religion, any more than it matters what the traditional Irish, Burmese, Peruvian, or Eskimo religion is. Saudi Arabia is a moslem country founded by moslems; that does not mean that Saudis are "supposed to be" moslems. Unless one follows national, ancestral "gxds," the religion of a nation's founders have exactly zip to do with anything.

2)I am well aware of the fact that the chrstian scriptures include the TaNa"KH--and the patronizing attitude that comes with it. Yes, chrstians (some of them; certainly not the ancient historical churches) are philo-Semitic, but this is based on chrstian, not Jewish thinking (and being chrstian, this is only natural). Such chrstians consider Judaism to be pre-incarnation chrstianity and today's Jews as a sort of museum piece of what pre-incarnation chrstianity was like. And again, believe me, I've been there. That was once exactly my way of thinking. It was a starting point, but unless one moves on from there it is nothing but a dead end.

You think Jews should appreciate that chrstians acknowledge the Jewish Bible. And to a certain extent, perhaps that's true. But please don't be hypocritical. Mormons scriptures include your Protestant bible along with the "book of mormon," D&C, and "pear of great price." Do you appreciate that? Do you feel flattered? Do you feel "grateful" that they deign to accept your scriptures but don't regard them as sufficient? Most Fundamentalist Protestants hate and despise mormonism, call it a "demonic" religion, and constantly attack it. This is exactly the situation Jews find themselves in with regard to chrstians. Your bible includes theirs. Theirs does not include yours. And they react to the notion that other books and doctrines had to be added exactly as you react to mormonism.

Since a storm is coming up, I'll end quickly with two points:
1)You believe chrstianity because your bible contains a "new testament." You assume from the outset that it is the "fulfillment" of the "old." You interpret the "OT" prophecies "about J*sus" the way you do because you accept the "new testament" from the outset. In other words, in order to accept the "new testament" as the "fulfillment" of the "old testament," you have to already believe in the "new testament." Period.
2)The fact that you were born into a chrstian family/nation/civilization is irrelevant to the question of whether or not chrstianity is true. So are "personal experiences" or feelings in your heart or that you "know that you know that you know that you know." All of that is faith. All of that is belief. The Revelation at Sinai is a fact of history for which faith is not even necessary. It is the Supreme Revelation. It sits in judgment on all other claims of revelation. To automatically allow the "new testament" the right to interpret that Revelation is a logical fallacy known as "affirmation of the consequent."

Gotta go now. You have done your chrstian duty. May HaShem open your eyes.

17 posted on 07/14/2016 8:51:16 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Sof davar hakol nishma`; 'et-ha'Eloqim yera' ve'et-mitzvotayv shemor, ki-zeh kol-ha'adam.)
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To: boatbums
"...America was a CHRISTIAN nation..."

Not according to the founding documents and the Constitution. George Washington also wrote some warm letters to congregations of Jewish Sephardim.


22 posted on 07/14/2016 3:47:04 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: boatbums

Executive summary of Old Testament references to a Savior to come? Honest request. Honest - I’m a bit rusty on my Bible studies... ;-)


167 posted on 07/24/2016 2:20:22 AM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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