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To: rwa265
"Do you know of any record that shows there was disagreement on this belief in the early church."

Yes. Here are three that show disagreement between the Apostles, NT Church and the later church, when they went off the rails and became an earthly religious institution.

The Biblical Record shows no Apostle claiming to turn bread into the physical body of Christ. Nor wine into real blood.
The Biblical Record shows no commands to do this.
The Biblical Record shows no church that taught this.
The Biblical Record shows no examples of this happening.

If God's Inspired Word, delivered to the NT Church during the time of the Apostles doesn't command something that the later Church incorporated via syncretistic paganism, it was not a core teaching of the Apostles.

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The contemporaneous Christian record of art, writings, music, etc., has no recorded example of this belief, nor practice before 100 ad.

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The secular record of art, literature, music, poetry, history, etc., has no example of this belief, nor practice before 100 ad.

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Each of these three records shows unanimity of the Church during the time of the Apostles, that the Lord's Supper was symbolic and a remembrance - not physical consumption of the actual body and blood of the Savior.

Nor is there a such thing as "Eucharistic Worship" in any of the three records before 100 ad.

An objective mind would receive these facts and question any teaching or practice that contradicts the inspired Word of God. Instead, many prefer to cling to a worldly religion that varies from God's revelation.

Kind regards and thank you for a good question.

48 posted on 07/24/2016 9:32:59 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Thank you for your response. However, what you presented doesn’t really respond to the question. As you indicated, very little was written about this belief during Apostolic times, either for or against. In fact, there is nothing in the written record that shows what the Apostles believed or taught about the Eucharist.

What I am asking is whether there is any contemporaneous record that shows disagreement with the writings of Ignatius of Antioch, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus of Lyons, Clement of Alexandria, and others who proclaim that the bread and wine do become the physical body and blood of Christ. Because if the Apostles taught that the Lord’s Supper was symbolic, these writings surely would have caused a great controversy, prompting others to strongly condemn these beliefs. The lack of any disagreement would indicate that these writings were in accord with the teachings of the Apostles.


54 posted on 07/24/2016 12:33:19 PM PDT by rwa265
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
The Biblical Record shows no Apostle claiming to turn bread into the physical body of Christ. Nor wine into real blood. The Biblical Record shows no commands to do this. The Biblical Record shows no church that taught this. The Biblical Record shows no examples of this happening.

Sure the is, The command to do so came at the Last Supper..."DO THIS" in memory of Me, The Catholic church (the only Christian church for 1,600 years) taught it from the beginning, The biblical record cannot possibly show examples of it happening because there is no apparent change in anything...it is spiritual, the bread and wine become the Body, Blood, soul, and Divinity of our Savior Jesus Christ, under the appearance of bread and wine........oh ye of little faith.

65 posted on 07/24/2016 6:31:25 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVERALL!)
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