The Rapture – Indisputable Christian Heresy

Preachers Institute ^ | 04-10-2010 | Fr. Anthony M. Coniaris

[castlegreyskull]

Obey the commandments?

If someone violated one of the ten commandments, they will go to Hell? For instance, they do not observe the Sabbath (saturday or Sunday?). What if they Lied? I think the Christians I know avoid violating the commandments. When they do slip and all of us will, I thought Jesus forgives?

[wardaddy]

Can you please post that again for the forum so they can all see what a looney Christian basher you are?

You always refuse to answer the question of what religion you are and what your background you are that gives you such nutty perspectives

It’s a thread on rapture and you use it as a segue to attack Christians

Why are you on the forum it begs the question

Like most social liberals you are here to impugne us as you pretend to be one of us

But please post again

[Talisker]

1. I don’t regard you as a Christian.

2. See #1.

[Iscool]

Hard to respond to an entire book...The first mistake your author makes is to think that your Church is Israel...He is taking promises to Israel and applying them to your Church...

The second issue is that your author leaves out a tremendous amount of scripture that throws a monkey wrench into his theory...

Like many have said, you can prove anything from the scripture...However, if one believes ALL of the scripture and will reconcile ALL of the scripture, the truth becomes a lot narrower...

[rwa265]

metmom, you do know that NRx is an Orthodox Christian, don’t you? And that the article he posted is written by a Priest Emeritas of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America? Not everyone who disagrees with your beliefs is a Catholic.

[wardaddy]

Fortunately none of us will be judged by you

so what is your religion?

dont be afraid

Are you scared I’ll be mean to you?

[Anti-Hillary]

“Does it really matter what the sects say? The confusion lies in allowing others to tell us what God said, instead of believing Him when we read it ourselves.”

You have hit the very core of the reason there is all this bantering back and forth. An accurate and true interpretation of God’s W
ord only comes when man sets down his opinions and traditions and allows the WHOLE counsel of God to interpret itself. Every time I go to the Word to study (I write Bible Studies) I ask that all of my imaginations would be set aside and that I would be open the the truth as revealed by the Holy Spirit. In other words I am not entering into study to prove my points, but to have God show me His unchanging TRUTH!

It is amazing how the scales fall off and things that seemed to contradict or “rub” up against each other fall into place. So many try to make sense of the New without the Old and vice versa.

Your post was water to my soul. Thank you

[Radix]

The Dispensation of Grace had not yet been fully (or even partially) instituted when the Thief on the Cross was granted his forgiveness.

It was a privilege of the Messiah to invoke this blessing prior to the shedding of the blood and prior to the renting of the veil.

[Talisker]

Fortunately none of us will be judged by you so what is your religion? dont be afraid Are you scared I’ll be mean to you?

You're not mean, you're a punk pretending to be a Christian. There's a big difference. And your challenging of my Christianity, my conservatism, my sexuality, and anything else that come into your pin head is merely your fumbling efforts to create a false, slanderous narrative you can manipulate into thuggery. Its very common in bars, when you've got a group of friends looking to jump someone. But it doesn't work so well online.

You bore me. You have zero comprehension of how common you are. You lear, you spit, you mock - you're a thug. So what? I'm not your prey - you're mine. Your prey is the weak and confused and frightened, like all thugs. And as far as Christianity is concerned, Jesus put it best - He "knows you not."

Go play in the street, there's a good boy. Oh look, something shiny!

[wardaddy]

Are you a Christian

A simple yes or no will suffice

You never answer do u

You write as someone who judges Christians from a position of ignorance

You’re the one who always leaps into the fray here about faggots

So it begs the question

A real man who state what they are and how it influences their perspective

I sure don’t run from that

American

Southern

White

Protestant

Love women

Big family

Guns

Know the world

And so forth

I think most here besides you get it ...my homepage is very forthcoming

Do gooders confuse Christianity with being sweet

[editor-surveyor]

There is not one single word in the Bible supporting a pre-trib rapture.

Paul wrote a very pointed letter to the Thessalonians to refute their foolish belief in a pre-trib rapture.

[editor-surveyor]

Paul’s letter to the Thessalonians was to assure them that it could not happen, because the man of sin and Satan’s tribulation of the saints must come first.

[Talisker]

Are you a Christian

A simple yes or no will suffice

You never answer do u

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What is truth?

[castlegreyskull]

Very interesting. I never thought about it this way, but it makes perfect sense. Very powerful.

[Elsie]

The Rapture – Indisputable Christian Heresy

It sure is!!

Matthew 24:40-41 (NIV)
40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 (KJV)
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air

Not a BIT Scriptural!!

[Elsie]

Is it the biggest theological fraud inflicted upon modern Christianity?

No; Mormonism is.

[Elsie]

Attitudes towards gays are particularly telling.

The Bible says...

A BIBLICAL Message to LGBT folks EVERYWHERE!

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Genesis 13:13

Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.

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Leviticus niv

18:22 Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

20:13 If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

 

 

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Psalms 12:8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

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Romans 1     New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)

 

 18 The wrath of God is indeed being revealed from heaven against every impiety and wickedness of those who suppress the truth by their wickedness. 19 For what can be known about God is evident to them, because God made it evident to them. 20 Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes of eternal power and divinity have been able to be understood and perceived in what he has made. As a result, they have no excuse; 21 for although they knew God they did not accord him glory as God or give him thanks. Instead, they became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened. 22 While claiming to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for the likeness of an image of mortal man or of birds or of four-legged animals or of snakes.

 

24 Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts for the mutual degradation of their bodies. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26 Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, 27 and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity. 28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what is improper. 29 They are filled with every form of wickedness, evil, greed, and malice; full of envy, murder, rivalry, treachery, and spite. 

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2 Peter 2

1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

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But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

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If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The Health Risks of gay sex.

Psalms 12:8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

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Romans 1     New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)

 

 18 The wrath of God is indeed being revealed from heaven against every impiety and wickedness of those who suppress the truth by their wickedness. 19 For what can be known about God is evident to them, because God made it evident to them. 20 Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes of eternal power and divinity have been able to be understood and perceived in what he has made. As a result, they have no excuse; 21 for although they knew God they did not accord him glory as God or give him thanks. Instead, they became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened. 22 While claiming to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for the likeness of an image of mortal man or of birds or of four-legged animals or of snakes.

 

24 Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts for the mutual degradation of their bodies. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26 Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, 27 and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity. 28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what is improper. 29 They are filled with every form of wickedness, evil, greed, and malice; full of envy, murder, rivalry, treachery, and spite. 

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2 Peter 2

1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

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But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

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If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The Health Risks of gay sex.

[editor-surveyor]

The Beast is who will be doing all of the tribulating.

The saints are who will be tribulated.

[editor-surveyor]

Noah was Taken through the judgement, he didn’t escape.

Israel was taken through the Red Sea, the chariot wheels are still there today where they crossed.

They went through the desert, and all that didn’t believe died there.

Yehova has promised to protect his elect in a place he prepares in the desert during Satan’s Tribulation of the saints. The Earth will swallow up the flood that Satan sends after the elect.

[Elsie]

Specifically, that because they are gay they need not be treated with respect or even acknowledged as human, let alone children of God.

HMMMmmm...

Specifically, that because they are thieves, they need not be treated with respect or even acknowledged as human, let alone children of God.

Specifically, that because they are murderers, they need not be treated with respect or even acknowledged as human, let alone children of God.

Specifically, that because they are adulterers, they need not be treated with respect or even acknowledged as human, let alone children of God.

Specifically, that because they are liars, they need not be treated with respect or even acknowledged as human, let alone children of God.

I see what you mean.