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To: ADSUM

I was not the person who confirmed the presence of a “Gay Lobby,” in Vatican City. That person was Francis. It was speculated at the time that he would only be speaking openly about such a lobby if he were getting ready to do something about it.

But that was in June of ‘13, and it is now August, 2016. Nothing has been done. Francis confirmed the presence of a powerful homosexual lobby within the Vatican itself...after which nothing happened.

Why did nothing happen? Why wasn’t there an outcry? The pope himself confirmed no less than a homosexual lobby, and there was no widespread reaction of shock and horror. There was no groundswell of opposition, demanding that the lobbyists for sin and evil—a particular kind of evil, btw, that caused God to destroy five entire cities with fire and brimstone—be expelled. Rather, Francis’ big confirmation was swept under the rug, and business as usual continued in Rome.

What kind of mindset is required to ignore and even forget about such a confirmation? What does it take for people who profess obedience to God to simply shrug off the presence and practice of a Gay Lobby, and act as if it were nothing out of the ordinary?

Look at your own reaction. Are you aghast that homosexual lobbyists are allowed to operate within Vatican City? Do you affirm that the Apostle Paul’s teaching was one-hundred percent correct, and that these lobbyists for a particularly perverted form of sin/evil MUST be expelled ASAP?

Nothing could be further from the truth. Instead, you want to focus on me. As if I’m somehow to blame, and if you can just manage to silence me, the Gay Lobby will be a non-issue.

It’s not about me. I have nothing to do with the presence and practices in Vatican City of the Gay Lobbyists. I did not confirm their existence. I only mentioned what your own pope confirmed, and pointed out the truth: that no action has been taken against these lobbyists for sin and corruption.

Why are you not more outraged at the presence of homosexual promoters within the highest echelons of Rome? Why are you not leading the charge to have them expelled, thus cleansing at least the Roman leadership of this abomination? Why does it take a non-Catholic to even mention these facts, much less to urge that action be taken?

I am not the problem. The Gay Lobby is the problem. Clean out the filth in your own upper echelons, before speculating on how God will deal with those who serve Him while ***NOT*** tolerating a Gay Lobby in their/our midst.


341 posted on 08/21/2016 12:43:38 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter; ADSUM
Here are the qualifications for the office of elder and deacon in the CHURCH as outlined by the Holy Spirit through Paul.

If the Catholic church expects us to believe that it alone is the one, true, church, then why does it's hierarchical not reflect that?

On the contrary, it's reasonable to conclude that if an organization does not have church leadership according to the qualifications outlined by Paul, then it is no way any kind of church much less the 8one true* church.

If it does not have a legitimate structure according to the Holy Spirit in Scripture, then it has no business calling itself a *church*.

Titus 1:5-16 This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you— if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination. For an overseer, as God's steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain, but hospitable, a lover of good, self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined. He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.

For there are many who are insubordinate, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision party. They must be silenced, since they are upsetting whole families by teaching for shameful gain what they ought not to teach. One of the Cretans, a prophet of their own, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.” This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith, not devoting themselves to Jewish myths and the commands of people who turn away from the truth. To the pure, all things are pure, but to the defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure; but both their minds and their consciences are defiled. They profess to know God, but they deny him by their works. They are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good work.

1 Timothy 3:1-13 The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church? He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil.

Deacons likewise must be dignified, not double-tongued, not addicted to much wine, not greedy for dishonest gain. They must hold the mystery of the faith with a clear conscience. And let them also be tested first; then let them serve as deacons if they prove themselves blameless. Their wives likewise must be dignified, not slanderers, but sober-minded, faithful in all things. Let deacons each be the husband of one wife, managing their children and their own households well. For those who serve well as deacons gain a good standing for themselves and also great confidence in the faith that is in Christ Jesus.

346 posted on 08/21/2016 1:36:39 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Fantasywriter

The Catholic Church is like family both good members that you like and bad members that you don’t like. Like family sometime you put up with the situation as you have no control.

I wish our society and our Catholic Church was in harmony without sin, but it isn’t.

In-spite of individual sins, Jesus promised to stay with us till the end and ensure that our doctrine was the Truth of Jesus.

I don’t know enough about the “powerful homosexual lobby” to deal with that issue. It could be very disruptive to the Church, but I do not see any doctrinal changes coming (even if Pope Francis leans that way).

God doesn’t like any sin whether it is internal in members of the Church or from non believers.


356 posted on 08/21/2016 2:29:29 PM PDT by ADSUM
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