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Pope asks Jesuits to educate diocesan clergy in practice of discernment [Catholic Caucus]
Boston Pilot ^ | 8/25/2016

Posted on 08/25/2016 4:24:03 PM PDT by ebb tide

When it comes to the Christian life, too many seminaries teach students a rigid list of rules that make it difficult or impossible for them as priests to respond to the real-life situation of those who come to them seeking guidance, Pope Francis said.

"Some priestly formation programs run the risk of educating in the light of overly clear and distinct ideas, and therefore to act within limits and criteria that are rigidly defined a priori, and that set aside concrete situations," the pope said during a meeting with 28 Polish Jesuits in Krakow during World Youth Day.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: francischurch
The horror of "overly clear and distinct ideas"!

We must keep the sheeple in a cloud of confusion in francischurch!

1 posted on 08/25/2016 4:24:03 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Oh, boy.


2 posted on 08/25/2016 4:27:26 PM PDT by tioga
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To: tioga

I’m LOL at the headline. These diocesan priests wouldn’t be priests if they didn’t practice discernment in the early days of their vocation.


3 posted on 08/25/2016 4:37:13 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ebb tide

My first thought after reading this was “fox watching the henhouse”.


4 posted on 08/25/2016 5:12:44 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: ebb tide

We can at least still belive that bears .... in the woods.


5 posted on 08/25/2016 5:13:12 PM PDT by mimaw
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To: ebb tide
The "overly clear and distinct ideas" are otherwise known as "Catholic moral teaching" or "Catholic doctrine". And yes, doctrine, by definition, places "limits and criteria" on what is and is not morally acceptable. Any doctrine must be "rigidly defined" otherwise it's not doctrine. Rather, it's advice, counsel, suggestions, hypotheses and speculation.

What Francis is saying is that Catholic doctrine is inadequate for judging and evaluating "concrete" pastoral situations. Instead we must learn to "discern". Yet, if we set aside our "overly clear and distinct ideas", what are our criteria for "discernment"? A gut feeling? Doesn't "discernment" simply mean that Fr. Bob calls something a serious sin while Fr. Bill says it's no big deal? It's a recipe for chaos. In one diocese "discernment" says one thing, while in another diocese it says something different.

This is moral relativism, pure and simple. Adultery is a sin.......sometimes. Sin is whatever we "discern" it to be.

This principle, put into practice, means the destruction of Catholicism.

6 posted on 08/25/2016 6:33:16 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Guess all those gay pedophile priests were taught by the Jesuits that SOMETIMES IT’S OKAY TO RAPE LITTLE BOYS...


7 posted on 08/25/2016 8:11:11 PM PDT by Hambone 1934
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To: ebb tide

He’s proposing further seminarian exposure to Ignatian rules of discernment and you object to this?


8 posted on 08/25/2016 8:15:54 PM PDT by johniegrad
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Here is Rule Number One in Ignatian discernment (or close to rule number one): “What appears to me white I will believe black, and what appears to me black I will believe white, if the hierarchical Church so defines.” That’s part of “rules for thinking with the church.”

That sounds like exactly what Bergoglio is complaining about.

The New England Jesuits could teach the diocesan priests about flying a stable of male prostitutes from city to city in New England in an ongoing circuit. Or lots of other methods for cultivating moral flexibility.


9 posted on 08/25/2016 8:50:04 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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Ignatian discernment is to be used when choosing among alternative goods, NEVER to decide whether or not to continue committing a sin.

As always, Bergoglio sows chaos and intellectual dishonesty.


10 posted on 08/25/2016 8:53:33 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan

I suspect the man is seriously flawed. I can’t think otherwise. I pray for our Church. He is not the intellectual thinker our two previous Popes were. He speaks his mind frequently and he can be ambiguous. The ladies at my parish absolutely swoon over him, while I cringe internally. They even bought a book about him for all of us in my prayer group.......the lady did that at her own expense. I wonder at their discernment regarding Pope Francis.


11 posted on 08/26/2016 3:25:17 AM PDT by tioga
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To: ebb tide

I hope it will not be seen as uncharitable if I express my hope that the next Pope will take the name Clement.


12 posted on 08/26/2016 11:05:29 AM PDT by NRx (A man of integrity passes his father's civilization to his son, without selling it off to strangers.)
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