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Vatican Newspaper: 'Amoris Laetitia' is Authoritative Church Teaching
Catholic News Service ^ | 8/23/16 | Cindy Wooden

Posted on 08/25/2016 6:45:18 PM PDT by marshmallow

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To: armydoc

You grossly exaggerate about the “huge body of doctrine” at issue in AL.

The matters at issue are nothing of the kind. Here is what the Catholic Church teaches:

1) Matrimony is indissoluble.

2) Divorce does not exist.

3) A person who, being married to someone, “divorces” that person and “marries” another, or begins, without “marriage,” to live in concubinage with another, commits adultery.

4) Adultery is grave matter.

5) No person may receive absolution or Communion without a firm intention to desist from the commission of grave sin.

That’s all all this fuss is about. AL is designed to cast doubt on ## 3, 4, and 5. Therefore, AL will eventually be repudiated by this or a future Pope, and will be rejected in the meantime by all who adhere to the Catholic Faith.


21 posted on 08/26/2016 6:07:32 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan

Nope not buying it. Too many accounts on these threads prove my statement correct. I’ve talked with former catholics who are now Christians who confirm this.


22 posted on 08/26/2016 6:08:14 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Arthur McGowan
ignore Bergoglio

Quite a statement, and quite telling. The Vicar of Christ may be "ignored". It seems that all this fuss by us Protestants was misplaced. This concept of absolute authority in the RCC was a paper tiger. Ignore the Pope (and any other authority figure) unless he conforms to your interpretation of historical Catholic teaching. Fascinating.
23 posted on 08/26/2016 7:24:27 AM PDT by armydoc
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To: ealgeone

You mean that your fellow vicious anti-Catholics actually confirm you in your bigotry? Amazing!


24 posted on 08/26/2016 8:04:01 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: armydoc

That’s your problem. You believe the Protestant myth that the Pope has “absolute authority” in the Catholic Church.

The Pope has the authority to teach what the Catholic Church has always taught.


25 posted on 08/26/2016 8:05:26 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan
The Pope has the authority to teach what the Catholic Church has always taught

And Pope Francis believes, by his interpretation, that his teaching is in line with what the Church has always taught. Apparently Pope McGowan believes differently. Which Pope to believe?
26 posted on 08/26/2016 8:13:21 AM PDT by armydoc
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To: armydoc
Ignore the Pope (and any other authority figure) unless he conforms to your interpretation of historical Catholic teaching. Fascinating.

Catholic tradition and teaching on grave moral matters require no "interpretation", any more than the 10 Commandments require "interpretation". Doctrine, by definition must be clear and unambiguous. The Catechism and papal encyclicals are not written in symbolic, allegorical or metaphorical language, unlike much of Scripture, whose authentic interpretation is the province of the Church which gave it to us.

This is where Catholic tradition, much maligned and greatly misunderstood, comes to our aid.

27 posted on 08/26/2016 8:19:07 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
The Catechism and papal encyclicals are not written in symbolic, allegorical or metaphorical language, unlike much of Scripture

Don't tell me . . . you mean Genesis 1-11, Daniel, Esther, and Jonah . . . right?

Ah yes . . . the "unchanging sure foundation of all civilization" at work!

28 posted on 08/26/2016 8:23:55 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Sof davar hakol nishma`; 'et-ha'Eloqim yera' ve'et-mitzvotayv shemor, ki-zeh kol-ha'adam.)
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To: armydoc
And Pope Francis believes, by his interpretation, that his teaching is in line with what the Church has always taught.

Does he?

This is very much the question of the moment. We're in unchartered waters here.

These are grave and unprecedented moments for all of Christianity.

29 posted on 08/26/2016 8:26:58 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

It’s so much easier just relying on the bible itself for these matters.


30 posted on 08/26/2016 8:52:42 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: marshmallow

Pelosi and Biden are more than happy to tell us what Catholicism means.


31 posted on 08/26/2016 9:20:12 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Arthur McGowan

Dude. Read. The former catholics confirmed they saw the annulments in catholicism.


32 posted on 08/26/2016 9:35:30 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Arthur McGowan

Divorce does not exist??


33 posted on 08/26/2016 9:36:09 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: marshmallow

You’re saying the man produced catechism is better than the Word itself,? Alrighty then.


34 posted on 08/26/2016 9:37:49 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: marshmallow

The catechism and all papal encyclical are infallible and binding, then?


35 posted on 08/26/2016 10:17:20 AM PDT by armydoc
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To: armydoc
They contain some material which has been infallibly defined and some which has not. Only doctrines of faith and morals fall under the scope of infallible ecclesiastical teaching. Since the scope of the Catechism is somewhat wider than this, it contains material which is not absolutely binding (e.g. social teaching). One must look to other documents and to the tradition of the Church to establish the doctrinal weight of any particular point in the Catechism.
36 posted on 08/26/2016 12:28:17 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: armydoc; Arthur McGowan
You actually bring up a good point.

Here is Monsignor Fenton on the infallible safety of the Holy Catholic Church, 1949:

"It might be definitely understood, however, that the Catholic’s duty to accept the teachings conveyed in the encyclicals even when the Holy Father does not propose such teachings as a part of his infallible magisterium is not based merely upon the dicta of the theologians. The authority which imposes this obligation is that of the Roman Pontiff himself. To the Holy Father’s responsibility of caring for the sheep of Christ’s fold, there corresponds, on the part of the Church’s membership, the basic obligation of following his directions, in doctrinal as well as disciplinary matters. In this field, God has given the Holy Father a kind of infallibility distinct from the charism of doctrinal infallibility in the strict sense. He has so constructed and ordered the Church that those who follow the directives given to the entire kingdom of God on earth will never be brought into the position of ruining themselves spiritually through this obedience. Our Lord dwells within His Church in such a way that those who obey disciplinary and doctrinal directives of this society can never find themselves displeasing God through their adherence to the teachings and the commands given to the universal Church militant. Hence there can be no valid reason to discountenance even the non-infallible teaching authority of Christ’s vicar on earth. ... It is, of course, possible that the Church might come to modify its stand on some detail of teaching presented as non-infallible matter in a papal encyclical. The nature of the auctoritas providentiae doctrinalis within the Church is such, however, that this fallibility extends to questions of relatively minute detail or of particular application. The body of doctrine on the rights and duties of labor, on the Church and State, or on any other subject treated extensively in a series of papal letters directed to and normative for the entire Church militant could not be radically or completely erroneous. The infallible security Christ wills that His disciples should enjoy within His Church is utterly incompatible with such a possibility."

Unless, of course, the Vicar of Christ isn't truly the Vicar of Christ.

37 posted on 08/26/2016 12:49:10 PM PDT by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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To: ealgeone

Correct.

All valid marriages exist until one of the parties to the marriage dies. Divorce is a fiction.


38 posted on 08/26/2016 10:14:56 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: piusv

A Catholic is free—indeed, obliged—to reject teaching from any Pope that contradicts what has been taught from the beginning by all his predecessors.


39 posted on 08/26/2016 10:19:09 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: armydoc

You are telling me that I must accept your mythical Protestant version of Papal authority, by which Bergoglio can tell me on Monday that there are two Persons in the Trinity, four on Tuesday, and three on Wednesday, and I must believe him.

Your cartoon version of Catholicism is fit only for morons. No educated Catholic believes such nonsense.


40 posted on 08/26/2016 10:24:02 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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