Posted on 08/28/2016 2:41:41 PM PDT by Salvation
We read; right here on the pages of FR; that Catholicism is the SAME as the church Jesus started!
What's this CHANGE you mention?
No; questioning you.
I happen to KNOW between which two parties the covenant covered.
It can be both, in a therapeutic and redemptive way.
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Torah is for all of Yisreal (the assembly of Yeshua, all who will be with him on the sea of glass mingled with fire)
Acts 15 is quite clear, All of the elect keep Torah, and meet “every Sabbath day” to hear Moses taught.
Inclusion, or exclusion is a personal choice. The lost exclude themselves, they cannot blame Yehova for their plight.
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You wrest Paul’s words at your own peril.
“Works” have nothing to do with Torah.
Works are the pharisees’ false man made laws, Torah is love and obedience.
Those that have not Torah written on their heart are eternally lost.
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Okay.
getting that vague feeling again
Not to be argumentative but a lot of the laws and ordinances seem to be a lot of symbolic works that were to point to the coming Redeemer. The sacrificial system for example. That was works. Works that were supposed to point to the Sacrifice on Calvary. It was that sacrifice on Calvary which abolished the old ordinances and ceremonial laws.
In fact, the LORD has created a new covenant, with far greater strictness than the Mosaic law provides (and it is within that new covenant that our spiritual clothing will be tailored; Mt. 5:10). Under the New Covenant, the keys to the Kingdom of God, entrance to Heaven assured, that both Jews and Gentiles gain entrance.
The boundary conditions of man's relationship to The God have already been published here (click)
on Free Republic, and shows more detail of The God's progressive unveiling of His Will for mankind.
(Sorry for the tardiness in answering . . . )
>> that both Jews and Gentiles gain entrance (Romans 1:17, 3:30). <<
Which, as a whole, they were not:
"He came unto his own (neuter plural, things), and his own (masculine plural, people) received him not" (Jn. 1:11-12 AV; my supplemental explanations in blue).
But some souls truly were prepared to receive Him and did, a few more passionately than others (Zachariah, Elizabeth, Joseph, Mary, John Baptist, Beloved John, Mary of Magdala, Mary of Bethany; few = 8, 1 Peter 3:20):
"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God,
even to them that believe on his name:
Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God" (John 1:11 AV).
They were not born of the Law, but of The Spirit, through faith alone in Jesus of Nazareth alone, apart from fickle obedience of fallible humans to the Mosaic Law.
I can sympathize. If it’s possible, go to another parish for Mass. There’s nothing wrong with that even if you’ve been going to the same one for decades.
If not possible to change for whatever reason: about the singing, you don’t have to sing the songs. If you’re not able you’re not able. If it’s putting the responses in song form, as is done in parishes typically under Franciscan direction (they seem to like to make all the responses into some kind of chant) then just say the responses quietly instead of trying to “sing” them.
As for the hand-holding: I can sympathize believe me. My wife and I typically sit in a relatively isolated area so that when its time for the Our Father, we aren’t in anyone’s grasping range. Just offer up the irritation at the silliness.
Otherwise, again if possible, you may prefer what’s known as the “Extraordinary form of the Mass” or the “Tridintine Rite”. It’s the Mass as it was before Vatican II. It’s very traditional no hand holding little singing and quite different. So be warned its not going to be what you’re used to but all the modern innovations won’t be there. You should be able to find one in your diocese unless you’re in an isolated area.
Remember most of all though, no matter what Mass you attend, you’re not going there to see the “correct style of worship”, you’re going there to be fed by Jesus Himself in the Holy Sacrifice. Unless the priest doesn’t say the words of Consecration correctly, or uses some matter that’s invalid, like leavened bread or grape juice instead of wine, then the Mass completes what is intended, to re-present the same one Sacrifice of Calvary. Offer up any suffering experienced due to modernist invention and be thankful for the infinite grace poured out at even the most “silly” of celebrations.
And you should go to Confession before receiving again if you have missed Mass because of “laziness”. It’s not an excuse to miss Mass simply because it’s too modern for our taste.
Yes, the Mosaic Covenant is no longer in effect but the Ten Commandments were separate from it. The Ten Commandments were in effect from Day 1 of the Universe. They were in effect in the Garden of Eden and will remain effect in Heaven throughout eternity. (Psalms 111:7,8) It defines sin and to be sin free we must know what is and is not sin.
That is how it was supposed to be practiced. It was essentially a purification process for the nation to prepare them for the coming Redeemer. IF they had fulfilled their part, they would have become a nation of priests and evangelized the world. The world would have been at Bethlehem and every nation would have been represented at His birth. The failure of the people was evident when Jesus walked among them and people asked "What must I do to be saved"? The symbolism of the ceremonies were to highlight their need for a Redeemer.
Because the law gives us an outline of God's character, we know what it means to be 'Holy'. And we know that only One Man ever reached the level of that Character, the man Christ Jesus. Thus only He can be our Savior as our advocate.
We are in agreement.
A Christians life, if the Christian is letting God's spirit work in them, should naturally fall into line with the law of God. God cannot sin...break his law...and when we let him work in us he changes our nature over time.
The expectation is that we'll let Christ transform us. This in fact is what the entire new covenant is based on:
Heb 8:10 "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My Laws into their mind and write them in their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
A Christian’s life, if the Christian is letting God’s spirit work in them, should naturally fall into line with the law of God. God cannot sin...break his law...and when we let him work in us he changes our nature over time.
Paul says something similar in Galatians 5:16-24
But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
Good post! More proof of your assertion is found in the book of Revelation:
Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in Heaven, and there was seen in His temple the ark of His covenant, and there occurred lightnings and voices, and thunders and an earthquake., and a great hail.
The ark contains:
Deu_10:2 And I will write on the tablets the words that were in the first tablets which you broke, and you shall put them in the ark.
Indeed the ten commandments are permanent, eternal expressions of God's will and law for man. They are literally set in stone and engraved in the hearts and minds of believers.
The sacrifice was “work” only for the High Priest.
Nothing about Torah was works for the believer; it was simply living one’s life healthy and righteous with Yehova’s help.
More than anything it was simply avoiding the acts that caused one to be weakened.
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