Posted on 09/06/2016 11:16:34 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
HMMMmmm...
Which is worse; the implied racism or the subtle Prot bashing...
Not hardly.
Catholic Italy barely keeps it’s head above water.
Protestant Europe prospered.
Which is worse, your political correctness or your hypersensitivity?
I wasn't "Prot Bashing," I was pointing out a logical fallacy in Gamecock's claim that Protestantism vs. Catholicism explains why Apartheid South Africa was prosperous while modern-day South Africa is a basket case. I guess it's too difficult for people to face certain facts on these kinds of issues.
Partially.
The last time I checked, Italy’s per capita GDP was still about ten times higher than that of any country run by Sub-Saharan Africans, regardless of their religion.
Apples and oranges.
Italy is known to be one of the “PIGS” of Europe. Three of which are Catholic and the other Orthodox.
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Angelo Bruno, in South Philadelphia?
It's a pretty pathetically weak argument. ANYONE can look good compared to Sub-Saharan Africa.
And you have to use that as an example to prove your point?
Mexico
Columbia
Not exactly bastions of conservatism or freedom.
“Not exactly bastions of conservatism or freedom.”
Is Great Britain today a bastion of conservatism or freedom? License perhaps, but freedom? How about Norther Germany? Conservative? Free? Does Sweden strike you as conservative these days? Denmark? Finland? Norway?
I think you know less than you think, and think less than you know.
The Catholic Church was made illegal in Mexico after its elite embraced pseudo-Protestant ideals incorporated in Masonry. Coincidence?
In Venezuela, the Catholic Church is persecuted by a socialist government. There is a rather direct line of thought historically from Calvinism to socialism. And who knows where that might lead? https://juicyecumenism.com/2009/04/30/caribbean-calvinists-for-socialism/
And Columbia? I’m willing to bet Columbia is more conservative and free than Sweden if one puts aside FARC and the narco cartels.
Just read your tagline and it made me laugh!
Regarding Mexico.....prior to this the rcc was the only church allowed in Mexico. Coincidence?
You might want to check up on your claim regarding pseudo Protestant ideals being the cause of the problem in Mexico. It's a bit more involved.
Your attempt to link Calvinism to a path to socialism was weak. Did you even read the article??
Believe it or not Els meister, that is closer to the truth than you realize. 😀
Nothing you have written represents what I think, and I’m not going to waste time on a bigot. Except: I never said I don’t believe miracles have happened.
There is absolutely no conflict between miracles and science, precisely because science concerns itself with the normal. Science has absolutely no relevance when it comes to the parting of the Red Sea, the Resurrection, or any miracle in between.
When it comes to modern miracles, such as the miracles worked by the Mother of God at Lourdes, scientific methods of observing and documenting events are helpful.
The rest of your splenetic outburst is as baseless and dishonest as your assertion that I don’t believe miracles can happen.
“Regarding Mexico.....prior to this the rcc was the only church allowed in Mexico. Coincidence?”
No, since the Liberalism which inspired the Mexican revolutionaries toward destroying the traditional wealth and culture of Mexico had to destroy the Church to do it. They instituted anti-clerical laws in 1857. With the victory of the Liberals, the Catholic Church lost its exclusive standing as the exclusive religion. Ever since then the Mexican government has encouraged and fostered dissenting and Protestant groups in order to attack the Church. Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Catholic_Apostolic_Church
So, already in the 1850s and 60s you had:
“Catholic missions were dissolved and their assets confiscated by the State; the educational system was secularized, which ended religious dominance in education; the State ceased collecting tithes for the support of the Catholic Church, and declared that monastic vows were no longer binding.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Roman_Catholicism_in_Mexico#Liberal_reform_of_1833
And the result was of such activities was exactly what some Protestants had hoped for for centuries: http://califias.blogspot.com/2014/11/the-mexican-national-catholic-church.html
Oh, and by the way, Mexico became poor. Coincidence? Not in the least. Power was concentrated into the hands of the secular elites and the common people became poor.
“You might want to check up on your claim regarding pseudo Protestant ideals being the cause of the problem in Mexico. It’s a bit more involved.”
Yes, it was. Notice how I didn’t deny that it was? That changes nothing of what I said or its veracity - it’s all still true.
“Your attempt to link Calvinism to a path to socialism was weak. Did you even read the article??”
Is this the first time you’re hearing about this? https://books.google.com/books/about/John_Calvin.html?id=x5qNNAAACAAJ
A blog for a reference source? Come on, Vlad...I expect better from you. That might pass for research from other posters but not from you.
You're a little loose with your facts.
From the link you provided. Only one protestant group is named.
You may note also blame is also laid at America as well.
You blaming America for this??
Other groups also conducted operations in Mexico. Anthony J. Cross wrote that before the First Vatican Council, the Protestant Episcopal Church in the United States of America "had supported dissident Catholics in Mexico" and its "reform mission" with its links to the Anglo-Continental Society, "is closely related to the growth of American influence and empire.
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