[BlackElk]

Extra Ecclesia Nulla Salus. Vatican II apparently saw Ecclesia BEYOND the boundaries of the Roman Catholic Church (and presumably the Eastern Orthodox Church).

I have admitted no such thing.

So, I gather you regard John XXIII and Paul VI as right in whatever they did, including instigating Vatican II and approving its decrees. That must end the controversies. When will you parish institute its Novus Ordo Mass schedule? After all, you don't want to be choosing the right and wrong among popes.

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So, I gather you regard John XXIII and Paul VI as right in whatever they did, including instigating Vatican II and approving its decrees.

Once again, you think wrongly. I don't, and have never agreed, that those two popes as having been "right" in the above actions.

You keep referring to a "saint" that, has been canonized by, as you yourself has stated, is an apostate.

Cafeteria catholic and a sedevacantist at that.

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Vatican II apparently saw Ecclesia BEYOND the boundaries of the Roman Catholic Church (and presumably the Eastern Orthodox Church).

So you think a miserable pope can convene a miserable council and his miserable successor conclude it; and change Catholic dogma?

Do you worship the same "god" that Osama bin Laden worshipped? If not, you reject the Second Vatican Council.

Otherwise, you appear to be a universalist, like Bergoglio.

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Pope John XXIII is commemorated on the date of his death, 3 June, by the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America and on the following day, 4 June, by the Anglican Church of Canada and the Episcopal Church (United States).

Your “apostate”, Papa Tango, elevated John XXIII to the altars on April 27, 2014.