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To: ladyL; rollo tomasi; metmom
This has been such an area of confusion for the Body of Christ. When the understanding of the two laws is grasped then Paul’s teachings become clear once you decipher which law he is referring to. Jer.31 says God’s Law is written on our hearts when we become a New Covenant Believer. Yahshua even upped the ante as far as the Law was concerned when He said, I tell you even if you LOOK on a woman...when He resurrected He didn’t change the Sabbath or any of the Laws. It was the Nicean Council 325AD that created a whole different religion that wasn’t what Yahshua and His disciples practiced based on the Torah. Oh my.

Just to be clear, are you saying that we must have both faith in Jesus Christ AND obedience to the Ten Commandments in order to be saved? If so, how was Abraham and all those before him saved when the Ten Commandments had not yet been given?

14 posted on 10/23/2016 9:29:08 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums; ladyL; rollo tomasi
The Law no longer has any dominion of claim on us or over us.

In Christ we died to the Law. We are no longer under it's control.

Romans 7:1-6 Or do you not know, brothers—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law is binding on a person only as long as he lives? For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage. Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress.

Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.

15 posted on 10/23/2016 9:35:13 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: boatbums
Saved = Sacrifice/Resurrection/pure Faith

To maintain Grace = Faith PLUS obedience to Christ's commands (Which sum up the Law)

Are you denying the fact that Christ/God does not reject those who speak in His name but refused to adhere to God's commands? That is a constant theme since Genesis.
16 posted on 10/24/2016 4:23:14 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: boatbums

boatbums...you make a good point about Abraham was made righteous because he believed Yah when Yah said to him that his descendants would be as many as the stars of the sky and the sand on the shore.Genesis 15:6(A fascinating study is to find where those descendants are today.)

Along with that is the words of Yahshua John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

At the time Yahshua spoke this “my word” was the Torah. So if you heard and did His Torah and believed on Yahweh who sent him, you were saved eternally.

Go figure. doesn’t line up with church doctrine


17 posted on 10/24/2016 11:16:26 AM PDT by ladyL (Warfare prayer)
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