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To: G Larry

IF your heart sought God you would read the rest of HIS WORD and place the passage in John 6 in that context. But you are all about finding some ‘escape clause’ where you can have some glory for your works to strive for salvation. Jesus has already pronounced HIS judgment upon such a mindset ... he will say in that day, ‘depart from me, I never knew you.’ You cannot ingest God’s Spirit by imagining bread and wine are the actual, real flesh and blood of JESUS. God is Spirit, and must be worshipped in spirit and truth, not magic thinking and idol worshipping.


421 posted on 12/06/2016 8:11:33 AM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for spiritual discernment)
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To: MHGinTN; daniel1212

Mathew 26:26-28

Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke it, ad gave t to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.” 
And he took a chalice, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them saying, “Drink of it, all of you; for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

In examining this we see that Christ, in instituting the Eucharist, established a new covenant.
A covenant must be clear, therefore a metaphorical sense which is difficult to understand is excluded.

Also, after His Resurrection, He never modified His words. 
Thus, if he only intended the metaphorical sense, many of his disciples have for years been practicing idolatry, adoring as the true body of the Lord, what was and is nothing but bread.

Beginning with John 6:51 and through 6:67:
 
“The bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.
 
The The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
 
Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen, I say unto you: except you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.
 
He that eats my flesh and drinks my blood, hath everlasting life; and I will raise him up in the last day.
 
For my flesh is meat indeed and my blood is drink indeed.
 
He that eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me and I in him.

(From the nature of the words used in V 56 “true, real meat,” “true, real drink”’ “Caro enim mea vere est cibus: et sanguis meus, vere est potus:” The obvious meaning is the literal one.)

As the living Father has sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eats me the same also shall live by me.
 
This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eats this bread shall live forever.”
 
“Many therefore of his disciples, hearing it, said: This saying is hard,’ and who can hear it?
 
But Jesus, knowing in himself, that his disciples murmured at this, said to them: Doth this scandalize you?
 
If then you shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
 
It is the spirit that quickens: the flesh profits nothing. The words that I have spoken to you, are spirit and life.
 
But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning, who they were that did not believe, and who he was, that, would betray him
 
And he said: Therefore did I say to you, that no man can come to me, unless it be given him by my Father.
 
After this many of his disciples went back; and walked no more with him.
Then Jesus said to the twelve: Will you also go away?

St. Paul wrote (eight years after St. Matthew wrote his Gospel) a letter to the Christian converts at Corinth: 1Cor. 10:16, “The chalice of benediction, which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? And the bread, which we break, is it not the partaking of the body of the Lord?”

1Cor. 11:23- 29, “For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus, the same night in which he was betrayed, took bread, And giving thanks, broke, and said: Take ye, and eat: this is my body, which shall be delivered for you: this do ye, as often as you shall drink, for the commemoration of me. For as often as you shall eat this bread, and drink the chalice, you shall shew the death of the Lord, until He come. Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. But let a man prove himself: and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of the chalice. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord.”

All attempts to drag in other references in an attempt to disguise Christ’s real meaning in these self-evident passages are disingenuous.


424 posted on 12/06/2016 10:09:28 AM PST by G Larry (America has the opportunity to return to God.)
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