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Is It War Already? (Catholic Church Crisis)
https://mundabor.wordpress.com/2016/12/01/is-it-war-already/ ^

Posted on 12/02/2016 3:16:02 PM PST by piusv

There is an achingly beautiful article from Hilary White on One Peter Five that I would suggest my reader take the time to read. It is, if you wish, a tale of redemption, the announcement that the Cavalry has finally showed up or, as the author beautifully said,

For us English, living on short rations in our bomb shelters, it is like hearing that the Americans have finally decided to join in.

The fundamental premise of the article is a handful of concepts that I repeat often: 1) Pope Francis is the unavoidable consequence of a rot that has been forming in the last fifty years. He is, if you wish, the explosion of a huge bubo that had been growing in the past half century whilst the vast majority praised the full airport masses of popes who kept appointing heretics as bishops, and kept tolerating heresy in many overt or covert ways at all level of Church life. 2) Francis has now come, as a plague allowed by the Lord to show us whereto our madness leads; to show us, in a word, that we can’t have Vatican II and orthodoxy at the same time. 3) These are great times for a faithful Catholic, because we can live and die in allegiance to Christ when all the world is against us. This is, as I have also stated, our very own “finest hour”.

However, I must disagree with the author of the linked article concerning two points: whether the war has already started, and whether the Cavalry has really showed up.

At the cost of being cynical, I must repeat that I still do not have much trust in the will of the four Cardinals to really start a conflict. If I were from Missouri, I would say “show me”. The Cardinals have pointed their cannons on Fort Sumter, but they haven’t started the cannonade yet. After months of silence from our hierarchy (including the four), I’d say I will wait until I see the smoke from the guns before I consider this war started.

In the same vein, up to now the interventions in favour of the four Cardinals have been few and far between: a couple of bishops here (I recall three in total), half a Cardinal there. Not much. If, for example, the entire Polish Bishops’ Conference were to release a hard-worded statement demanding that Francis answers the dubia, and does it in the proper way, then I would be persuaded that a strong front line is forming or, if you wish, that a Confederate Army is now operative. What I see up to now is… not much.

Then there is the big question of what happens next. I would like to share Ms White’s optimism that the dubia are the sign that things will soon improve, but I can’t get myself to think it. Decades of cowardice are not likely (bar a huge Divine intervention) to be overcome in a matter of months or in a few years. The poison of V II runs deep in the veins of the Church (actually, it runs pretty deep even in the veins of the Four Cardinals). The confrontation, if it comes, is likely going to end, at least initially, with the crushing of the opposition of Francis and the complicit silence of most of our clergy. What happens next is everyone’s bet, but when I look at our bishops I see an army of 8,000 kitten unfit to wage I do not say a war, but a loud meowing.

Then there is the matter of the apparition of Our Lady in Quito. I believe in the apparition, and am therefore braced for much, much worse than we see today. At some point, I expect Francis – or his successors – to try to “merge” Catholics and Lutherans, or declare Marxism part of the social teaching of the Church, or such like. I expect the bubo to not only explode, but to spread his pus everywhere, probably for decades. Fifty years of madness aren’t forgotten because of four not entirely sane (remember: they are part of the same madness!) Cardinals. Actually, I have a hunch that fifty years of drunken madness might well have to be paid with fifty years of excruciating pain.

But yes, it is a great time to be a Catholic. We will, possibly in the next half century, live and die believing in the faith of our Father amidst a world that ridicules and insults us.

It is a great Grace the Lord is giving us.

At some point, from somewhere, a handful of great generals and fearless heroes like General Lee and “Stonewall” Jackson will appear, and these Lees and Jacksons will lead us to victory; because whilst Lee’s and Jackson’s eventual defeat was almost inevitable, our own victory is already providentially ordained.

But I doubt that this will happen in my lifetime, and encourage my readers to prepare themselves to decades of conflict whatever happens; even if the Four Cardinals abandon us, or are left completely isolated, or are declared heretics by the Evil Clown.

As to myself, as I write this I can’t even have the consolation of at least seeing the start of the war.

M


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The article the OP refers to is found at this link (and was discussed in this forum elsewhere):

http://www.onepeterfive.com/bishops-enter-war/

1 posted on 12/02/2016 3:16:02 PM PST by piusv
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To: piusv
I would like to share Ms White’s optimism that the dubia are the sign that things will soon improve, but I can’t get myself to think it. Decades of cowardice are not likely (bar a huge Divine intervention) to be overcome in a matter of months or in a few years. The poison of V II runs deep in the veins of the Church (actually, it runs pretty deep even in the veins of the Four Cardinals).

The bolded: the real issue at hand

2 posted on 12/02/2016 3:18:18 PM PST by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: ebb tide

Thanks to ebb for this link, by the way.


3 posted on 12/02/2016 3:23:52 PM PST by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: All

BTTT


4 posted on 12/02/2016 4:49:06 PM PST by ssfromla
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To: piusv

I don’t think Mundabor’s vile language and imagery helps his cause very much.


5 posted on 12/02/2016 5:23:37 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: piusv

I read a post on FR the other day stating that if Francis is a heretic, then Papal infalability is false, and the Orthodox were right these last 1000 years. Maybe thats true. We Catholic certainly did more harm to ourselves than Caesar, Napoleon, Stalin, Mao, Castro, and all the other tyrants through the years.


6 posted on 12/02/2016 6:20:49 PM PST by JerryBlackwell (some animals are more equal than others)
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To: piusv

Wonderful article by Hilary White at OnePeterFive. He is right about what an exciting time it is. The light of Truth is shining in the darkness.
Luke 12:1-12
“...Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. [2] For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed: nor hidden, that shall not be known. [3] For whatsoever things you have spoken in darkness, shall be published in the light: and that which you have spoken in the ear in the chambers, shall be preached on the housetops. [4] And I say to you, my friends: Be not afraid of them who kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. [5] But I will shew you whom you shall fear: fear ye him, who after he hath killed, hath power to cast into hell. Yea, I say to you, fear him.

[6] Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, and not one of them is forgotten before God? [7] Yea, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: you are of more value than many sparrows. [8] And I say to you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God. [9] But he that shall deny me before men, shall be denied before the angels of God. [10] And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but to him that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven.

[11] And when they shall bring you into the synagogues, and to magistrates and powers, be not solicitous how or what you shall answer, or what you shall say; [12] For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what you must say.”


7 posted on 12/02/2016 7:29:46 PM PST by blackpacific
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To: JerryBlackwell

Could you point me to the actual post? Because the way you have written it, that is false.


8 posted on 12/03/2016 5:13:11 AM PST by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: Unam Sanctam
I prefer to listen to what someone has to say rather than how it is said. When one speaks the truth it should be said in charity but if it is not that doesn't necessarily negate the fact that one speaks the Truth.

Having said all of that, could you point out what was so "vile" in this Mundabor OP? I don't see/recall anything "vile".

9 posted on 12/03/2016 5:18:16 AM PST by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: piusv

Referring to the Holy Father as the “explosion of a bubo” seems a rather vile image. Respect is due for the office if not the person and all that.


10 posted on 12/03/2016 3:33:36 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: piusv

Sorry I searched my browser history and cannot find the source.


11 posted on 12/03/2016 4:06:53 PM PST by JerryBlackwell (some animals are more equal than others)
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To: Unam Sanctam

Funny, I took that comment to refer to the last 50 years....Francis being the culmination. So the huge bubo isn’t Francis per se but the last 50 years. Francis is its final explosion.

Although I probably wouldn’t make references like that, I definitely see Francis as the personification of Vatican II and have been saying it for years now.


12 posted on 12/03/2016 4:23:26 PM PST by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: JerryBlackwell

No prob.


13 posted on 12/03/2016 4:23:44 PM PST by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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