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To: BlessedBeGod

It’s interesting that this writer presents Cardinal Henri de Lubac as being a a virtual defender of the Church. Moreover, the writer disingenuously implies that the “doctrinal confusion and moral chaos” that followed Vatican II, was between the “true teachings” of the Church prior to Vatican II, and the false teachings that followed. Nothing could be further from the truth.That was not Father de Lubac’s belief at all. Following Vatican II, all but a handful of bishops (such as Archbishop Lefebvre) had accepted the teachings of Vatican II as being orthodox. The fight in which de Lubac was taking sides was between the “Modernists” who promoted Vatican II. If this were a political setting, some might say that this is a FAKE NEWS.

To begin with, faithful Catholics should well understand that Henri de Lubac was a Modernist of the first order his entire life––including so at the time of his death in 1991. Indeed, Pope Pius XII authored his encyclical, Humani Generis, in direct response to de Lubac, who wrote that the Church is the “community of the whole people of God”, rather than the Mystical Body of Christ. Father de Lubac’s confused position of the Church went on further to falsely equate the role of the laity as being effectively equal to that of the clergy. Shortly thereafter, the Holy See prohibited any publication of de Lubac’s writings, and he remained virtually silenced until 1958, the year Pope Pius XII died.

When the Modernists gained control of the Vatican, thereafter, de Lubac and many other Modernists were miraculously rehabilitated. Father de Lubac was named as an “expert” on the Council, and eventually made a cardinal. The quote attributed to de Lubac is accurate enough, but the writer confuses his readers when he takes it out of context. When de Lubac criticized the “new Church”, he was not complaining that the followers of Vatican II were abandoning the “true teachings” of the Church, his complaint was with the split that was developing between the different Modernist bishops that were all a part of Vatican II.

That well known split related to the creators of a publication known as the “Concilium”, and involved Father Joseph Ratzinger (later Pope Benedict XVI) et al, on the one side, and Father Edward Schillebeeckx, et al, on the other side. All of these men were Modernists, but much in the same way that the Protestant religions began breaking apart immediately after Martin Luther’s Revolution, the Modernist bishops of Vatican II began to split apart almost immediately after the Council concluded it’s work in 1965. The disagreement involved the now infamous “Spirit” of Vatican II.

And yes, there is another split developing within the Church at this time, albeit at a much higher level in that this time it involves the pope. But faithful Catholics should be aware that the split (and potential schism) is among the “modern” Catholics who have blindly followed the false teachings of the Second Vatican Council. Traditional Catholics, who continue to adhere to the immutable doctrinal truths of the Church pre-dating Vatican II, are not involved in this food fight. Michael Voris and his team perform no service for faithful Catholics by suggesting that some of the “modern” bishops are following the “truth” on this issue. They may be right for opposing Armies Laetitia, but they’re far from correct on holding fast to Vatican II.


6 posted on 01/29/2017 10:14:26 AM PST by tomsbartoo (St Pius X watch over us)
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To: tomsbartoo

But what does the LORD say about false prophets?

Jer 23:34 “If any prophet, priest, or anyone else says, ‘I have a prophecy from the LORD,’ I will punish that person along with his entire family.
Jer 23:35 You should keep asking each other, ‘What is the LORD’s answer?’ or ‘What is the LORD saying?’
Jer 23:36 But stop using this phrase, ‘prophecy from the LORD.’ For people are using it to give authority to their own ideas, turning upside down the words of our God, the living God, the LORD of Heaven’s Armies.
Jer 23:37 “This is what you should say to the prophets: ‘What is the LORD’s answer?’ or ‘What is the LORD saying?’
Jer 23:38 But suppose they respond, ‘This is a prophecy from the LORD!’ Then you should say, ‘This is what the LORD says: Because you have used this phrase, “prophecy from the LORD,” even though I warned you not to use it,


How does one know what the LORD says?


9 posted on 01/29/2017 11:22:53 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: tomsbartoo

Bravo!


10 posted on 01/29/2017 1:07:56 PM PST by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: tomsbartoo
And yes, there is another split developing within the Church at this time, albeit at a much higher level in that this time it involves the pope. But faithful Catholics should be aware that the split (and potential schism) is among the “modern” Catholics who have blindly followed the false teachings of the Second Vatican Council. Traditional Catholics, who continue to adhere to the immutable doctrinal truths of the Church pre-dating Vatican II, are not involved in this food fight. Michael Voris and his team perform no service for faithful Catholics by suggesting that some of the “modern” bishops are following the “truth” on this issue. They may be right for opposing Armies Laetitia, but they’re far from correct on holding fast to Vatican II.

I agreed with almost all of your post. Where we disagree is that the split has included all of the popes since Vatican II, not just the current man sitting in the Chair of Peter. ALL of them preached, professed and enforced the false teachings of Vatican II to the entire Universal Church.

As for Michael Voris and his so-called "Church Militant"? Since he does not get the real issue and refuses to place blame where it belongs (Francis), he merely scratches at the surface.

11 posted on 01/29/2017 1:25:44 PM PST by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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