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To: metmom; Ezekiel; AppyPappy; Elsie; Jeremiah Jr; ridesthemiles
Can I lose My Salvation?

Indeed you can. We're not saved until we're in the boat. Until then we're still subject to drowning in sin.

Our life jacket is the Almighty's Grace, it helps keep your head above water while swimming toward that far of Shore.


You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh[a]; rather, serve one another humbly in love. For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.


Remember, Salvation is a double layered cake. While most of the icing is on the top layer, there is another layer called "Judgement Day" for those not "in Christ". Many forget this added complexity when discussing issues like the one above.

Much of the NT talks about not only being saved, but saved from Judgement Day as well.

49 posted on 02/20/2017 9:05:26 AM PST by amorphous
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To: amorphous
No, we are already seated in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus.

We don't *find out when we get there*.

Being born again, we are already there.

Our salvation is a done deal.

55 posted on 02/20/2017 9:25:23 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: amorphous
Remember, Salvation is a double layered cake. While most of the icing is on the top layer, there is another layer called "Judgement Day" for those not "in Christ". Many forget this added complexity when discussing issues like the one above.

And the saved are *in Christ* and not subject to Judgment day. They have been already judged.

Judgment Day is for the unbelievers, those not in Christ.

They will be judged by their works and found wanting as without being forgiven and in Christ, there is nothing but the Law by which to judge them.

56 posted on 02/20/2017 9:29:31 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: amorphous
You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh[a]; rather, serve one another humbly in love. For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

The irony is lost on some folks. Turns into a works vs. faith, law vs. grace, free will vs. predestination battleground, which is in Hebrew a sedeh krav (שדה קרב), which = 611 = Torah (math, it's everywhere).

Valley of Decision. Tunnel vision.

Meanwhile, Divine orchestration is the method of operation by which free will *free chooses* that which is predestined. Has something to do with the direction of the heart. :)

Now humans, not being omniscient, don't know for certain what is the final destination of anything. Those who think they do will act accordingly. Those who know that they don't know everything, will also act accordingly. Therefore it is all fair how it ultimately shakes out. Amazingly simple.

84 posted on 02/20/2017 10:53:25 AM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn(ed!) the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: amorphous
We're not saved until we're in the boat.

Well; our name gets written in the Book of Life.

Your name CAN get ERASED from it!


Exodus 32:32-33
But now, if you will forgive their sin—but if not, please blot me out of your book that you have written.” 
But the Lord said to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against me, I will blot out of my book.

101 posted on 02/20/2017 2:41:31 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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