[grumpa]

The rapture doctrine is taken primarily from 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17. There are a couple of key words in this passage that need to be examined in the Greek language to understand what really is going on about the so-called "rapture." Let's do some exegesis. See my article # B12 at my own site here:

https://prophecyquestions.com/2014/02/01/articles-by-charles-meek

[Glad2bnuts]

I think in II Thessalonians the disciple/s are worried enough about the “any minute” doctrine being spread that they write the letter.

“At the last trump in the twinkling of an eye”. That is when all will be transformed. Some to scorn, some to reward.

That is enough for me. Any “rapture” will take place AT the last Trump.

[humblegunner]

(Excerpt) Read more at

Well, no.

I'll not be providing traffic to nutcases.

[Jonty30]

Every other of God’s peoples has had to ride out their time of troubles, no matter how bad it got. Why would God take His people out of a time when they might be the most needed?

[G Larry]

There is a rather compelling book on the subject, written in 2003 by a former Protestant;

David B. Currie

Rapture - The End-Times Error that leaves the Bible behind

[SubMareener]

The key is in a proper dividing of Daniel 12:11-12.

Daniel 12
8 Although I heard, I did not understand. Then I said, “My lord, what shall be the end of these things?”
9 And he said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10 “Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.
11 “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 “Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.
13 “But you, go your way till the end; for you shall rest, and will arise to your inheritance at the end of the days.”

Nelson, Thomas. Holy Bible, New King James Version (NKJV) (p. 875). Thomas Nelson. Kindle Edition.

The words in italics were added by the translators, verse 11 reads: “And from the time the daily is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, one thousand two hundred and ninety days." So 1260+30 days after "the daily" is taken away, the anti-Christ will set up the abomination of desolation, and we know that that is 1260 from the start of Daniel's 70th week and 1260 days from the end.

So what is "the daily" that will be "taken away"? Well, it is certainly not the daily sacrifices that the Jews will present in the Third Temple, because that is what the anti-Christ will do at the midpoint. So who offers themselves as "living sacrifices" (Romans 12:1) and asks for "daily bread" (Matthew 6:11) but those who believe in Jesus Christ as their Savior and LORD?

Luke 21:36 “Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”
Nelson, Thomas. Holy Bible, New King James Version (NKJV) (p. 1023). Thomas Nelson. Kindle Edition.

So, if I am still here in October, 2017, it will be because I was not "found worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass." How about you?

Here is the schedule of coming events. Get ready!

If this doesn't happen, then these dates have all been one big coincidence:

1. Only 2 remaining unfulfilled feasts, Trumpets & Atonement are fulfilled in exact correlation to the number of days given Daniel by the angel Gabriel.
2. Our timeline BEGINS EXACTLY on the beginning of the new Jewish year 5778.
3. 5778/Rosh Hoshana/Feast of Trumpets/Revelation 12 Sign Alignment/Jesus Birth Month.
4. 30 DAY GAP/New Moon again. /Tribulation Begins.
5. Midpoint Passover/AOD/IS THE HISTORIC Crucifixion Date of Jesus Christ.
6. 3.5 years from 1st blood moon 4/15/14 to beginning of trib on the timeline.
7. 7 years (-14 days) 1st blood moon to trib midpoint on the timeline.
8. 10 years from the second blood moon to the Blessed Day Kingdom Age on the timeline.
9. 10 years from first blood moon 4/15/14 to 9/13/24 (Atonement/ 2nd coming) on the timeline.
10. 11/29/47 UN Partitions Palestine to 11/27/2024 on our timeline = 77 years exact.
11. 7 years EXACTLY TO THE DAY from when Jupiter exits the womb of Virgo, to the Second Coming of Christ on our Alpha to Omega Timeline.
12. From the Blood Moon on Feast of Trumpets Sept 13,2015 to Sept 13, 2024 (Second Coming date on our Alpha to Omega Timeline) 9 Years Exact.
13. Exactly 1335 days from Sept 21, 2017 to Pentecost 2021.
14. Balfour Declaration Nov 2 1917 to 10/20/17 (trib begins) on our timeline is 12 days short of 100 yrs exact.
15. 8/21 2017 solar eclipse to the beginning of the tribulation 9/ 20/17 on our timeline: 60 days.
16. Beginning of timeline September 21, 2017 to 2nd Day of Tabernacles 9/21/2024: 7 years exact.
17. 60 years between 9/22, 1957 (Israel gives up territory gained) and 9/22, 2017.
18. September 23, 1973 Roe Vs Wade. 45 years forward to the day (inclusive) the "woman" gives birth, Revelation 12 Sign.
19. September 21, 1861, American Civil War begins. 9/21/1861 - 9/21/2017 = 156 years. 1+5+6=12. 12 is symbolic of divine authority.
20. Eclipse August 21, 2017 forward 33 days to the Rev 12 Sign.
21. 40 days from the Aug 21, 2017 eclipse to Atonement.
22. Beginning of year 5778 9/21 2017 to the exact time of the Rev 12 Sign alignment = 40 hours.
23. Jesus returns to establish His Kingdom ON THE VERY DAY of the anniversary of which the UN broke ground to establish THEIRS. September 14, 1948.

[JockoManning]

There’s not a chance Preterism etc has a shred of truth to it. The contortions one’s mind must go thru to even briefly entertain just the major portions of Preterism must be outrageous. The Bible is more than clear enuff about such issues. Don’t care to argue the points. The net is full of such.

[PROCON]

FYI

[Roman_War_Criminal]

The Doctrine of Demons called Preterism gives rise to the theory that there is and will be no rapture.

What a sad and pathetic way to live life as a Christian!

For a very well written study on what the Rapture is and how to be a part of it, please see this link. If your mind is made up, then good luck living life thinking you’ll have to face the AntiChrist and get beheaded.

http://www.raptureready.com/2016/07/19/defending-the-pre-trib-rapture/

The Church is the Bride of Christ. Think about what kind of Groom (Christ) would make his future wife go through hell on Earth and His Judgement? That’s the image Preterists have of Christ.

See Noah, Lot, and even Enoch as representatives of those who escaped God’s wrath. Christ even talks about them in his description of the end times.

Luke 17:26-27 Noah
Luke 17:28-29 Lot

[PeterPrinciple]

I wonder what God thinks sometimes. He is telling us about the last days for ONE PURPOSE, that we repent and avoid it. but what do we do, we gossip about all the little details.

[beethovenfan]

https://bible.org/seriespage/6-will-church-go-through-tribulation

[SkyDancer]

Tell those early Christians how rough you had it.

[GraceG]

Ever wonder why the clothing stays behind after the rapture?

[fishtank]

https://prophecywatchers.com/bible-shows-us-seven-raptures/

[LambSlave]

Of all Christians, throughout all time, only a small group of believers, essentially ALL co-located in location (USA) and time (Progressive Era) believe in this false doctrine.

[caww]

Well that’s just not enough.....it’s pretty clear Jesus took our judgment against sin on Himself....the tribulation period is a time of God’s Great Judgment on the sins of mankind who rejected him...so even common sense says he will take us out of the way of that Judgement.

Paul tells us that Jesus will not return until the man of lawlessness is first revealed and this man of lawlessness cannot be revealed until “he who now restrains” him is taken away. 2 Thess. 2
So since the Holy Spirit indwells the believers, if the Holy Spirit is removed, so then must the believers that He indwells be gone from the earth.

It is the Holy Spirit who is hindering, standing in the way, restraining the powers of evil in our day... it is actually the Holy Spirit in the life of the believers that is the hindering force. So once the power of the Holy Spirit within the body of believers is removed and no longer restraining, the powers of evil will take over. It will be a quick plunge into the darkest hour of the history of man. It will not last long at all.

It will be the two witnesses and the 144 thousand tribulation saints that will do the work during the Tribulation...not the church (believers) we’ll be gone.

[Celtic Conservative]

Aw geez, here we go.

No dog in this flame war, FWIW.

CC

[YogicCowboy]

I did not credit it at a private school surrounded by its adherents. I do not credit it now.

[for-q-clinton]

And before Martin Luther there were no protestants....what’s your point?

[Sheapdog]

Historic premillenialism as it existed in the early church certainly believed in a catching away or what is called a rapture as it has come to be known post Latin Vulgate. What is mostly in question is the timing and as to whether the early premillenialists beleived in a pre-trib or post-trib catching away at the last trump. I get a little annoyed when the timing issue is conflated and not distinguished thus to add weight to the idea that the rapture by definition must be immanent and thus a pre-trib rapture in early church teaching. I think this is special pleading and a form of eisegesis or reading into the text more than can be said. I think it is more intellectually honest to conclude what at most that can be stated is a pre-millenial belief and rapture at the last trumpet was the dominant belief system during the first few centuries of Christianity. That might not add to the weight of the traditional pre-trib argument as it’s defenders would like but still is a defense of a solid eschatological position. To conclude in my studies I don’t think it is even in contention that historic pre-millenialism was the dominant view in the early church which believed in a literal 1000 year kingdom on Earth preceded by a catching away. Pre or Post Trib - argue away - or don’t; just be ready and in unity in the faith.

[Cedar]

The Last Trumpet is the 7th Trumpet in the Book of Revelation.

So there is yet a lot to happen before we get to the 7th trumpet.

“In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”. I Cor. 15:52