Still Shrouded in Mystery

Crisis Magazine ^ | April 20, 2017 | K. V. TURLEY

[Jamestown1630]

These things have always fascinated me, too. It’s been a while since I read about this and don’t recall everything, but I never saw any convincing explanation of how this would have been created by human hands - it just seems unreasonable, too far outside of the likely.

[dsc]

“That seems almost perverse, that the dating scientists even picked the wrong place to get a piece. Someone who understood the shroud’s history ought to have guided them, and still even could.”

If you had a patched blanket, the patch was visible, and you were told not to collect your sample from the patch, I have every confidence that you could manage.

How is it possible that they could not? I don’t know what to think other than they deliberately collected their sample from the patch.

[faucetman]

Having always been fascinated by the shroud, I have read and watched everything I could about it.

There is NO DOUBT, that it is REAL! The image still can’t be duplicated TODAY!

Is it the image of Jesus? Who else would it be????

ALL attempts at denying it’s authenticity have FAILED!

The cloth, the weave, the coating, the herbs, the flowers, the spores, the blood, the location of stains corresponding to his hands and feet (spikes) and side (Holy Lance) and head (crown of thorns), the negative image infused in the shroud by God’s Glory, It’s preservation over centuries, it’s mention in the bible along with The Sudarium of Oviedo, the similarities of the two “shrouds”, the same blood type AB, spores from Palestine, the Shroud and the Sudarium covered the same Jewish face.

“Dr. Alan Whanger applied the Polarized Image Overlay Technique to the sudarium, comparing it to the image and bloodstains on the Shroud. The frontal stains on the sudarium show seventy points of coincidence with the Shroud, and the rear side shows fifty. The only possible conclusion is that the Oviedo sudarium covered the same face as the Turin Shroud.”

https://www.shroud.com/guscin.htm

IS THIS NOT PROOF ENOUGH????????????????????

1 Peter 3:15 (NIV)
But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,

1 Peter 3:15 (KJV)
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

Because Jesus rose from the dead, just like He said He would.

Without the resurrection, there is no hope.

That’s why it matters.

[zot]

Thanks for the good point at post 9. I agree.

[heterosupremacist]

#9 "A friend told me that he read an article sometime after the 1988 tests that one of the people, possibly a Sister, who was directed to snip off fragments of the cloth, clipped, not that Shroud, but cloth from one of the repairs that are evident on it... ...thus the carbon dating showed the date of when one of the burnt portions was repaired, NOT the date of the Shroud itself." Also, the four corners of the shroud which were fire-damaged were also on the outside edges of the Shroud, which was handled many times by the Clergy, as they displayed it to the faithful, thus it was contaminated by their DNA and would have eo ipsodistorted the dating of the Shroud. Research has shown two different dates, one of the original, and another dated from centuries later, YOU decide...

[heterosupremacist]

Saint Thomas Aquinas ping... To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.

[infool7]

Just as it seems we have been feed a steady diet of Fake News since (at least my, born in 1963) childhood it seems that Fake Science has also been on the menu.

[infool7]

Egads... feed = fed

[july4thfreedomfoundation]

OK, thanks.

I thought the second part of the quote was “To one without faith, no explanation is possible,” but I was not 100% sure.

Also, I remember someone once said that spores were found on the shroud which were from plants that only existed in that part of Israel where Jesus lived and was crucified; I thought that was an interesting observation.

[heterosupremacist]

*Also, I remember someone once said that spores were found on the shroud which were from plants that only existed in that part of Israel where Jesus lived and was crucified; I thought that was an interesting observation.*

Yes, and those spores were ONLY known to grow in Jerusalem, ONLY budding in the time of Passover/Easter!

[Melian]

I believe it’s real.

[Swordmaker]

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[Melian]

Well reasoned post.

I always marvel that people DON’T think it’s real!

[Swordmaker]

I’ll just say that the “scientists” in question were about as scientific as the Global Warmers.

Once those doing the sampling of the Shroud for the C-14 tests threw out the agreed on sampling protocols and opted to take the sample from the one area of the Shroud all the scientists agreed should NOT be an area sampled due to it being obviously physically and chemically different from the main body of the Shroud, all science was thrown out the window. . . and politics and extreme bias entered the process. Then when the reporting labs, especially the lab in Arizona AVERAGED their results, we knew it was not about science but proving an already decided conclusion they wanted to get.

[Swordmaker]

Regarding “dating tests carried out in 1988 were seriously flawed.” A friend told me that he read an article sometime after the 1988 tests that one of the people, possibly a Sister, who was directed to snip off fragments of the cloth, clipped, not that Shroud, but cloth from one of the repairs that are evident on it...thus the carbon dating showed the date of when one of the burnt portions was repaired, NOT the date of the Shroud itself.

Uh, no, but it was a repaired area that incorporated both new and old material that had the new skillfully re-woven into the old using a technique called French Invisible Reweaving developed in the 16th Century to repair expensive tapestries. The mixture distorted the C-14 dating test.

[Swordmaker]

That seems almost perverse, that the dating scientists even picked the wrong place to get a piece. Someone who understood the shroud’s history ought to have guided them, and still even could.

The sampling protocols were in place and deliberately AVOIDED that site. . . but those protocols were tossed out at literally the last minute and the single sample was taken from the worst possible spot, the one the scientists who had examined the Shroud for 78 hours all unanimously agreed should NOT be a candidate for C-14 testing because It had physical and chemical differences from the rest of the Shroud. This was deliberate.

[Swordmaker]

If you had a patched blanket, the patch was visible, and you were told not to collect your sample from the patch, I have every confidence that you could manage.

Even knowing that the patch work is there, it takes close looking with a photomicrograph to actually see the differences in the threads of the sampled area. The newer threads are dyed cotton to match the older original undyed linen flax threads. The newer threads have an "S" twist while the original Linen has a "Z" twist and are slightly larger than the newer threads. It is even more obvious comparing the threads under an electron microscope. The threads were not just interwoven, but the ends were twisted together in the "French Invisible Reweaving" technique with the idea the repair would be invisible to the naked eye. It was and is invisible.

[Swordmaker]

*Also, I remember someone once said that spores were found on the shroud which were from plants that only existed in that part of Israel where Jesus lived and was crucified; I thought that was an interesting observation.*

Yes, and those spores were ONLY known to grow in Jerusalem, ONLY budding in the time of Passover/Easter!

Also, at least one of the found pollens come from plant that grew around Jerusalem until it became extinct around 700-800AD. There is no way a 12-13th century forger could have exposed the Shroud to pollen fromJerusalem from a plant that died out 400-500 years earlier. . . or, even know he would need to anticipate the science of palynology 700 years before it was created to include pollens on the cloth for palynologists to find.

[dsc]

May I ask the source of your information?

[Swordmaker]

I’ve studied the Shroud for 45 years. Right now, I am writing from memory. You can find most of the scholarship and scientific articles on the Shroud a the site maintained by Barrie Schwortzt:

http://shroud.com