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To: boatbums

Ignorance of the following:

Matt 7:21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.”

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God— 9 not the result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are what he has made us, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand to be our way of life.

1 Corinthians 9:27 but I punish my body and enslave it, so that after proclaiming to others I myself should not be disqualified.

2 Timothy 2:12 if we endure, we will also reign with him; if we deny him, he will also deny us;

Philippians 2:12 Therefore, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed me, not only in my presence, but much more now in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for it is God who is at work in you, enabling you both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

James 2:14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if you say you have faith but do not have works? Can faith save you? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and lacks daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and eat your fill,” and yet you do not supply their bodily needs, what is the good of that? 17 So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead.

James 2:24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25 Likewise, was not Rahab the prostitute also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by another road? 26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is also dead.


32 posted on 04/24/2017 9:16:18 PM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: G Larry
Ignorance of the following:

Oh, I agree that anyone who is ignorant of these verses - especially cherry-picked and partial, out-of-context parsing - would assume that Scripture says salvation is based on our works and not on the basis of grace through faith. There are far more verses that clarify this essential doctrine that we are saved by the grace of God - grace is unearned, unmerited favor - through faith (believing, trusting) in Jesus Christ who died to be the propitiation for our sins. We don't deserve grace. Salvation is the gift of God and not of works, lest ANYONE should boast.

    Then they inquired, “What must we do to perform the works of God?” Jesus replied, “This is the work of God: to believe in the One He has sent.” (John 6:28,29)

35 posted on 04/24/2017 10:09:46 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: G Larry
On what do you base the contention that this JD Hall was in any way "ignorant" of what you listed from Scripture?

Nothing, it appears to me. Which makes your comment more suitable as a vanity & nuisance, than as approaching discussion of any real differences between various faith communities.

Paul is not overturned by James. Those writers were not at war with one another...

Best doctrines need to harmonize those two. Christ alone, Grace alone, Faith alone, and faith (still under Grace) shown by works, works towards others, forgiving & forbearing each other, serving one another and their fellow man towards and for the greater good of the kingdom of God, including forgiving and forbearing those whom would persecute/harm themselves.

Which kind of 'works' the rest of the world (that does not put faith in God) thinks unprofitable & foolish.

What many appear to me to miss is that the subject matter James wrote about was still all about faith. I notice too that those whom would tend towards stressing 'works' often in the seemingly next breath go about attempting to impose their own definitions of 'works' that others must follow, and "do" -- lest be anathematized & condemned by those teachers of the works.

37 posted on 04/24/2017 10:22:39 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: G Larry

That falls under the doctrine of “Perseverance of the Saints.” No Reformed believer has any problem with those texts.


95 posted on 04/25/2017 1:37:04 PM PDT by Alt Right
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