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To: Claud

According to a few FRomans, Rome's anathema's towards Protestants were lifted some time back, perhaps 1983, if memory serves.

How exactly that occurred I do not know, but it would seem to make sense being as the Latin Church finally (after about 500 years?) got around to looking upon Protestants as actual Christians, making that more official around about Vatican II, and so may have been compelled to address remaining contradictions.

During Vatican II, Rome more or less said there were 'other Christians' not of their own communion, and not of the various Orthodox, yet the Pope was Pope over those 'other Christians' whether those other Christians knew it or not.

I will now prepare myself to be bashed (for not bringing the exact wording, and explaining it all to the suit the tastes of some FRomans).

After re(?) condemning those pesky Protestants, will there still be whine served with the cheese? You know, the usual whining about how put upon poor wittle Cath-o-lics are? I mean, everybody know it's only them who get to hurl anathema and condemnation at others whom profess faith in Jesus Christ (but do not agree with the Latin Church all down the line, theologically speaking).

34 posted on 04/24/2017 9:40:18 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: BlueDragon
According to a few FRomans, Rome's anathema's towards Protestants were lifted some time back, perhaps 1983, if memory serves.

From a church that claims its doctrines NEVER change??? I got a chuckle out of the Catechism that sounds kinda weasel-worded with their explanation about that change. It says: "Reformulated positively..." In other words, we know we said before that no one could be saved outside of the Catholic church but what we meant to say was: Hence they could not be saved, who knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse to enter it or to remain in it.(1219/846)

So, if you don't believe that the Catholic church was the only way to be saved, then one CAN be saved according to them if "they seek God with a sincere heart and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do His will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation." That sure covers a LOT of different people - some, even, who reject Jesus Christ as God and Savior. It almost sounds like you can be saved WITHOUT faith in Christ at all as long as you do what is right in your own eyes. That really didn't work out too well for folks in Noah's day.

40 posted on 04/24/2017 10:50:10 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: BlueDragon

The anathemas still hold. They have not been lifted, nor can they be.

But yes, at Vatican II the other side of the coin was also discussed, and that is that since Protestant Baptism is 100% valid, people in those denominations are, by that very fact, incorporated into the Catholic Church. But it remains, of course, an imperfect communion at the start, and without the full complement of sacraments and without clear direction on a host of moral issues including contraception, then it becomes extremely difficult for an adult Protestant to remain in sanctifying grace with God.

Protestants are Christians, yes, absolutely. But Christ calls us to be more than just bearers of the name.


51 posted on 04/25/2017 3:25:44 AM PDT by Claud
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To: BlueDragon

By the way, I can’t stand hearing my fellow Catholics whine about “Catholic bashing” and “anti-Catholic”, and I’ve repeatedly said that here.

I’d be anti-Catholic too if I thought Catholicism was the Antichrist. You answer that attitude with facts and boldness in stating the truth, not by, as you said, whining about how put upon we are.


53 posted on 04/25/2017 3:28:41 AM PDT by Claud
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