Posted on 05/10/2017 9:03:36 AM PDT by Salvation
Why do you ask?
Lemme channel an RCC poster.
BUT WHAT ABOUT JAMES YOU PROT HERETIC.
Answer: Different person, different purpose, different audience. Always study Scripture IN context. And James was writing to a church that had erred on the side of libertine.
“recognized”
by whom and when?
Who under what authority separated the wheat from the chaff?
Luther failed to “recognize” it.
Nice sidestep.
Answer the question. Is the Word of God authoritive or not?
If yes, why are you ignoring it? I have yet to see you address a single verse of the many posted on this thread.
If no, then tell me what IS authoritive and why I should believe you.
Come on, mister priest. I thirst for salvation. Tell me why I should believe I can get it from Rome.
They are not cherry picked and they are in context.
It is your position that does not survive a reading of Galatians.
Galatians 5:4 You who want to be justified by the law have cut yourselves off from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.
Galatians 5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything; the only thing that counts is faith working through love.
St. Paul reminds us of the relationship between our baptism, justification, and sanctification.
1 Corinthians 6:11 And this is what some of you used to be. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
And in Galatians 3:27 As many of you as were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
Praying to a fool who claims to be a priest in the only church is also not found in scripture, for very good reasons which remain beyond your ken, apparently.
Are you trying to prove yourself a fool? If you need help comprehending something posted, just ask, instead of spouting foolishness and non sequiturs.
An analogy is that Paul and James are not fighting face-to-face against each other, but are fighting back-to-back together against two separate groups: the legalists and the libertines.
Thank you for quoting verses that prove my point! Sheesh, are you even reading what you post?
By the way, do you even have any idea what my ‘position’ is? I don’t think you do.
Perhaps you should come to MY Bible study addressing the Augsburg Confession.
I like that analogy. I think I’ll use it in the future.
An amazing insight! Thanks for offering it.
So now you’ll explain how these verses don’t mean what they say?
Matt 6:14 For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you; 15 but if you do not forgive others, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Matt 7:21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.”
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God— 9 not the result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are what he has made us, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand to be our way of life.
1 Corinthians 9:27 but I punish my body and enslave it, so that after proclaiming to others I myself should not be disqualified.
James 1:22 But be doers of the word, and not merely hearers who deceive themselves. 23 For if any are hearers of the word and not doers, they are like those who look at themselves in a mirror;
James 2:14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if you say you have faith but do not have works? Can faith save you? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and lacks daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and eat your fill,” and yet you do not supply their bodily needs, what is the good of that? 17 So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead.
James 2:18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith. 19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder. 20 Do you want to be shown, you senseless person, that faith apart from works is barren? 21 Was not our ancestor Abraham justified by works when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was brought to completion by the works. 23 Thus the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness,” and he was called the friend of God.
James 2:24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25 Likewise, was not Rahab the prostitute also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by another road? 26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is also dead.
I will when YOU address all the verses in post 292.
I’m not falling for your little game. You want to argue, then address my view too instead of demanding that I answer your cherry picked verses and then calling me stupid once I do. I’ve seen this play out too many times before.
Oh, and unfounded claims that they aren’t is not proof.
So do you want me to answer? I’ll address one verse for every verse you address.
The really sad thing about the catholiciism deranged mind is: such a blinded mind misses the point that JESUS didn't have a list of catholic things which GOD requires, so that religion, catholiciism, added a lengthy list, including devotion to the Mary of Catholicism.
That is not my own analogy. I know I heard it in a sermon or Bible study years ago, and it has always stuck with me.
I wish I could remember who it was to give proper credit.
And while you’re at it, a simple statement of what you’re trying to prove would be nice.
The initiator and definer of this thread has already notified you that this is not a caucus thread; that it is an open-discussion thread.
The purpose of posting these deliberately NON-caucus teasers seems to be clear:
o Draw a topic laden with Biblical error past the noses of RF addicts to see if anyone of the non-catholic element bites on it.
o The non-catholic reader responds, pointing out an obvious unbiblical thrust in the article.
o The usual pre-catechised debaters lurking around either promote a false doctrine found in the article, or attack the non-catholic with the old tired (usually already-refuted) arguments.
o The scent draws in more Biblicists, and the usual exchange of irate responses begins, and continues until everyone is tired of it, and they all go on to the next one.
I doubt if any casual reader actually follows the exchanges more than a time or two. He/she also tires of the trotting-out of shopworn, erroneous catholicisms that define its monolithic niche in a pluralistic Christendom, at the expense of the time-wasting labors of Bible-adherents.
If you haven't tumbled to this, you ought to, and save your criticisms for a venue where they might be taken seriously. To sit around and let it eat at you is not really healthy; it would be a sort of self-inflicted masochism.
Yep!
And if you don’t live it, you don’t believe it.
Got it?
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