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U.S. Bishop: No Funerals, Communion for People in Same-Sex ‘Marriages’
LifeSite News ^ | 6/23/17 | Claire Chretien

Posted on 06/23/2017 6:04:09 PM PDT by marshmallow

SPRINGFIELD, Illinois, June 23, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) – Those in same-sex "marriages" shouldn't present themselves to or be admitted to Holy Communion, nor may they receive a Catholic funeral if they died without showing signs of repentence, Illinois Bishop Thomas Paprocki says.

Paprocki is the Catholic bishop of Springfield, Illinois and well-known to the pro-life and pro-family movements for his defense of Catholic orthodoxy and morality.

On June 12, Paprocki signed a "Decree Regarding Same-Sex 'Marriage' and Related Pastoral Issues." It was sent to priests and diocesan staff last week and subsequently leaked to media sympathetic with the homosexual cause.

"The Church has not only the authority, but the serious obligation, to affirm its authentic teaching on marriage and to preserve and foster the sacred value of the married state," Paprocki explained after reminding his flock of "the clear and consistent teaching of the Catholic Church since her founding by Our Lord Jesus Christ."

Paprocki wrote that he has a "responsibility as diocesan bishop to guide the people of God entrusted to me with charity but without compromising the truth." Because of this, he outlined diocesan policy on issues related to same-sex "marriage," citing the Code of Canon Law throughout.

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To: marshmallow

Authentic Charity takes many forms.


21 posted on 06/23/2017 7:15:54 PM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt (Sehnsucht)
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To: marshmallow

Sounds like a doctrinal Catholic to me, and my Lutheran church better be doing the same thing


22 posted on 06/23/2017 7:25:15 PM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: marshmallow
Why no funerals?

Not arguing, just asking.

23 posted on 06/23/2017 8:20:32 PM PDT by Salman (I don't do Facebook, and neither should you.)
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To: Salman
"Why no funerals? Not arguing, just asking."

Try this:

Canon Law Made Easy- Can A Public Sinner Have a Catholic Funeral?

24 posted on 06/23/2017 8:55:33 PM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: fidelis

Great link. Thanks.


25 posted on 06/23/2017 9:00:55 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SoFloFreeper

A Catholic funeral signifies that the deceased was in communion with the Church. It signifies that the deceased desired the Church to pray for him.

Although, being dead, the deceased cannot receive any sacrament, his funeral still signifies communion.

A person in a same-sex marriage proclaims rejection of communion with the Church. Without repentance before death, a Catholic funeral is irrational.


26 posted on 06/23/2017 9:48:12 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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To: daniel1212

Keep in mind that Cardinal Sean O’Malley was present. He can’t get enough of snuggling with the Kennedys, Kerrys, Bidens, etc.

The fact that a priest was skulking around as Kennedy died was accepted as a sign that Kennedy died a Catholic.

The fact that no priest gets near a Kennedy without being a pro-abortion lifelong Democrat, and that no public statement of repentance was made, was ignored.


27 posted on 06/23/2017 9:54:12 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Actually you are wrong. Many people repent on their deathbeds and are reconciled to the church. If they do, they are entitled to a church funeral.

however, if they curse god and refuse the priest, I would agree with you... yet even these people sometimes repent at the last minute...

And there are worse sins than being gay and marrying your partner.

the scandal in the US is pro abortion politicians getting Catholic funerals, but here in the Philippines it is crooked politicians who steal and take bribes getting the huge funeral..

the funeral does not do much for the dead person, but does help the family.


28 posted on 06/24/2017 12:12:49 AM PDT by LadyDoc (Liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: daniel1212; marshmallow; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; ...

You’re right. I suspect even Nancy Pelosi will be accorded the same honor as Ted Kennedy.

While it may sound very nice, it’s all about money and connections. Of course, then again, I’m not sure how many influential gays in same-sex “marriages” are Catholics (or for that matter any religion).


29 posted on 06/24/2017 5:33:22 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: marshmallow

I do not believe this will happen.
Too much money lost by the church and they seem more interested in the money than, morality.


30 posted on 06/24/2017 5:33:36 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (President Trump makes obammy look like the punk he is.)
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To: Steelfish
Farewell yes. But a Catholic burial service is different from any other.

I agree with your statement. But what do things like holy water sprinkled on the casket and incense scattered about, do for a dead body?
31 posted on 06/24/2017 6:24:21 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Auto-correct has become my worst enema.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I believe Ted Kennedy’s funeral was a scandal and a violation of Canon Law.

Its all about the Benjamin's. St. Benjamin.
32 posted on 06/24/2017 6:25:52 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Auto-correct has become my worst enema.)
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To: Old Yeller
But what do things like holy water sprinkled on the casket and incense scattered about, do for a dead body?

The same thing the preacher giving the date the deceased "got saved" does.

33 posted on 06/24/2017 6:29:37 AM PDT by papertyger (The semantics define how we think.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; HarleyD
I’m not arguing from private interpretation. I’m arguing from Canon Law. People who violate Canon Law are objectively in the wrong: even a Bishop. Even a Pope

Wrong: you are arguing about interpretation of canon law, for which RCs are too look to their prelates.

As showed you

And the local ordinary, no doubt with Ratzinger's knowledge, gave Teddy K and like anti-Christ pols ecclesiastical funerals, and which effectually conveys to the flock how canon law is to be understood, and again to which they are to look.

What constitutes "repentance before death" means as well as what would qualify as "public scandal of the faithful" are subject to interpretation, and faithful RCs are not to be like evangelicals who examine the source to ascertain the warrant for a meaning, for "the [Roman] Church is essentially an unequal society, that is, a society comprising two categories of per sons, the Pastors and the flock...the one duty of the multitude is to allow themselves to be led, and, like a docile flock, to follow the Pastors." - VEHEMENTER NOS, an Encyclical of Pope Pius X promulgated on February 11, 1906.

Epistola Tua: To the shepherds alone was given all power to teach, to judge, to direct; on the faithful was imposed the duty of following their teaching, of submitting with docility to their judgment , and of allowing themselves to be governed, corrected, and guided by them in the way of salvation. — Apostolic Letter of Pope Leo XIII (1885)

While according to your knowledge, competence, and prestige, you may make your opinion known on matters as this to your pastors with reverence toward them, and make their opinion known to the rest of the Christian faithful, (Can. 212) - though in the past laity were forbidden to engage in public debate on such an issue as this - yet it is their judgment that is authoritative in Catholicism. Otherwise you must sanction schismatics who

34 posted on 06/24/2017 6:33:03 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: HarleyD
Pope Benedict even graciously responded to a letter from Teddy K. piously stating that he “never failed to believe and respect the fundamental teachings” of his church, and tried to be a faithful Catholic, etc.. Not a word of remorse about supporting abortion or promoting homosexual rights - which were part of his fight against discrimination, or promoting indolence and a welfare state.

And what see from the report of the papal response is no chastisement, but it read in part: "The Holy Father ... was saddened to know of your illness, and has asked me to assure you of his concern and his spiritual closeness. He is particularly grateful for your promise of prayers for him and for the needs of the universal church.

"His Holiness prays that in the days ahead you may be sustained in faith and hope, and granted the precious grace of joyful surrender to the will of God our merciful father. He invokes upon you the consolation and peace promised by the risen Savior to all who share in his sufferings and trust in his promise of eternal life.."

"Commending you and the members of your family to the loving intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Holy Father cordially imparts his apostolic blessing as a pledge of wisdom, comfort and strength in the Lord." (http://www.thebostonpilot.com/articleprint.asp?id=10800

And who was given a church funeral, as was Chavez, Mayor Menino, etc, thus showing their interpretation of canon law. Who needs to be openly preaching that sodomy and abortion are not sins when publicly known promoters of such are not Biblically disciplined but even graciously affirmed as members?

35 posted on 06/24/2017 6:33:12 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212

The “interpretation” is already there in Canon Law. There only remains to say, is this being followed, or not?


36 posted on 06/24/2017 7:17:45 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (What Part of Covfefe Do You Not Understand?)
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To: daniel1212

As that great 1990’s American Philosopher “Dude” said to “Jesus Quintana” at the bowling alley, “that’s like your opinion man”


37 posted on 06/24/2017 7:46:00 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Mrs. Don-o:

“I believe Ted Kennedy’s funeral was a scandal and violation of Canon Law.”

Unless the Priest could confirm to his Bishop that he did repent via the Sacrament of Confession of whatever sins he committed. None of us will ever know so I would rather err in the side of Charity and Mercy and assume the late Ted Kennedy did in fact make “orthodox”/valid Confession that showed repentance, remorse and contrition, etc.

And for the record, I disagreed with Ted Kennedy’s politics and many of his public actions, yet I will not stand in judgment of his soul, that is God’s job and he is much more qualified than I am to make said judgments.


38 posted on 06/24/2017 7:52:45 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: SoFloFreeper
I can see the communion rule. But why no funeral? A great opportunity there to preach the Gospel. And after all, a human being in the image of God deserves a farewell, don’t they?

There are plenty of ways that people hold folk funerals these days, but a rite of the church should not be altered to suit an unrepentant sinner. That being the case, the church should also deny funerals to people who haven't been to confession since who knows when, who are openly cheating on their marriages, etc. And the church should refuse to marry about 50% of those who ask until they have satisfied educational requirements.

Rant over.

39 posted on 06/24/2017 8:54:39 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("We will be one people, under one God, saluting one American flag." --Donald Trump)
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To: CTrent1564
Your position is just, inasmuch as we cannot know about the contents or validity of Ted's participation in the Sacrament of Reconciliation in the days preceding his death. So we must hope for the best.

One could hardly object, then, to a small, private, but fully "ecclesial" Catholic funeral when he passed.

However (and I hate to add "however," but here goes): let's fairly evaluate the many occasions on which Ted willingly and publicly acted as an accomplice or accessory to the crime of abortion. He consistently voted for funding and against any limitation of any sort, in effect promoting and sponsoring abortion by anyone, at any time, for any reason or no reason at all.

For almost all of his political life (except the earliest year or two) Ted Kennedy scored 100% by NARAL on his pro-abortion voting record, and 0% by the NRLC's pro-life criteria.

In 2003 Kennedy voted for an amendment sponsored by Sen. Tom Harkin that said the Supreme Court decided Roe v. Wade correctly and that abortion is a constitutional right. That makes him both a formal and material accomplice.

That being said, if he repented (and I hope he did) the fruit of true repentance would have been a public repudiation of his numerous acts of cooperatioon with the crime of abortion, since the incalculable harm he did, he did in public.

This necessary public repudiation of his public political voting and advocacy record, never came. On the basis of public evidence, the necessary fruits of repentance were entirely lacking.

Thus the extraordinary pomp and honors that attended his funeral --- a huge concelebration with bishops and cardinals, fulsome eulogies, not one word rejoicing in, or even hinting at, any repentance --- looked and smelled like a canonization for a man whose public legacy was mass murder.

That was just as much a public scandal as the huge solemnities formerly given at the passing of major Mafia dons in Sicily ---solemnities which the Church in recent decades has largely suppressed.

He ought to have had a small, private family funeral in a chapel seating 50-60. Even today, we can, and should pray for his soul.

40 posted on 06/24/2017 9:57:39 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops." - St. John Chrysostom, Bishop)
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