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The Problem of Catholic Pretenders
Crisis Magazine ^ | June 23, 2017 | K. E. COLOMBINI

Posted on 06/23/2017 6:21:23 PM PDT by NYer

Catholics always have been taught that the word “catholic” means “universal,” and arguably one of the hallmarks of the Catholic faith is that it recognizes no borders; while there are many rites, of which the Latin is the predominant one, there is one truth, one set of dogma.

As I consider this from St. Louis, Missouri, where my family and I have lived since 2000, I realize something must be askew with Catholic pretenders who crave independence over universality.

Several years ago, to greatly simplify a convoluted local history, a St. Louis parish operated for the benefit of the local Polish community split off from the archdiocese. Its parishioners, or, rather, a majority of its board of directors, decided that its church property was more important than Catholic unity. After years of wrangling, a settlement with the archdiocese ended the matter finally, with the breakaway Catholics, led by a defrocked and excommunicated priest, retaining control of their buildings.

St. Stanislaus Kostka was, and remains, a pretty church. It’s not grandly and gloriously beautiful like our cathedral, or the oratory at St. Francis de Sales. Rather, it’s what I’d call working-class beautiful, and far better than many of the suburban parishes built west of the city in the 1970s. St. Louis once earned the nickname “Rome of the West” because of the beauty of many of its older churches, an outward symbol of the faith and loyalty of the Catholics who built them.

While the battle over St. Stan’s was originally a property dispute, it evolved into something else. For with this property dispute, a virus was planted in the parish that led the parishioners away from Catholicism. St. Stan’s has become one of those churches that are merely posing to be Catholic, while embracing the wrong side of so many battles the Church is facing, especially those around sex and gender. It’s what one would call, in the euphemism of the day, a welcoming parish, welcoming visiting dissident celebrities and women priests and feeling more than welcome to join the city’s annual gay pride parade.

Oddly, however, despite its size and its stature in the progressive community, St. Stan’s isn’t alone. There’s St. Catherine of Siena, also located in St. Louis, where services are held in a former Lutheran church. It considers itself an “Independent Catholic Church,” but also considers itself part of the “Synodal” Catholic Church.

Not too far north of St. Catherine, on the other side of Forest Park in the city’s Central West End, and also not too far from our cathedral, lies the St. Therese of Divine Peace “Inclusive RC Community.” It has no qualms about claiming to be Roman Catholic; its pastor is a woman affiliated with Roman Catholic Womenpriests. Its offices and chapel space are courtesy the local First Unitarian Church.

Another “Catholic” church, Sts. Clare and Francis, operates in neighboring Webster Groves as part of what’s called the Ecumenical Catholic Communion. Its offices are at Eden Theological Seminary, affiliated with the United Church of Christ. The pastor is a former Catholic priest who left the church in 1990 because he couldn’t accept celibacy, and is now married to another man.

A little further west, in the city of Creve Coeur, Sts. Peter and Paul is part, not of the Ecumenical Catholic Communion, but the “Ecumenical Catholic Church+USA.” It holds its services at an Episcopal parish church, St. Timothy’s. The pastor is both a bishop in the church, and gainfully employed in local law enforcement.

Across the Missouri River further to the west, in St. Charles County, one comes across Christ the King Ministries and Mission Catholic Church, a storefront church which calls itself part of the schismatic “Brazilian Rite” of the Catholic Church.

In a metropolitan area with such a strong Catholic presence, these churches are relatively insignificant outliers. They also are common to other cities. What is remarkable about them, and why should we be at least a little concerned about them?

Consider what they have in common. They all claim Catholic roots, and those who run them are quick to tout ordination under apostolic succession and some sort of tie to the obscure Old Catholic breakaway after Vatican I. They diverge from their Catholic roots on radically similar lines, dealing primarily with the usual sex-and-gender issues, promoting open communion for the divorced and remarries and those living gay lives. They accept female priests, and married priests. Two of the churches, at least, do not use the new translation of the Mass, but the one that preceded it.

When it comes to the sacraments, one of the challenges is that they can pose as being traditionally Catholic, such as in promoting wedding services. Hence, one of the priests operates a business and website, where he acknowledges that “many Catholics—and others—are searching for an inviting, sacramental wedding experience with the richness of the Catholic tradition yet different from that offered by the Roman Catholic Church.”

Reading this website, one comes away with the idea that “the richness of Catholic tradition” that is different from one in a Catholic church means a wedding in a park or on a beach, between two people who probably should not be marrying each other. At the same time the priest promises the richness of Catholic tradition, he throws it out the window: “Whatever your background, we will make sure that your wedding reflects and honors your beliefs.”

Such churches and services can only confuse those who don’t know enough to know better. For a long time, our local newspaper, the Post-Dispatch, ran church advertisements in its paltry Religion section on Saturdays. Under the Catholic category, one would find one or two Catholic churches, but also Sts. Peter and Paul mentioned above, with no differentiation. Likewise, people searching online for Catholic wedding services can easily be confused. Unfortunately, there is little the archdiocese can do about it, since these churches don’t respect canon law.

There are, however, two things the local church should do. First, ensure that Catholic adults have a clear understanding of Catholic teaching around these issues. Address them in an open and positive way—because our message is a fundamentally positive one. Second, call out the pretenders by name. Make clear to Catholics that these churches and services are not Catholic, despite what they advertise, and that they are to be avoided. If there are any ways in particular that these phony Catholic websites are misrepresenting themselves and skirting the truth and painting themselves as something they are not, make that known.

Catholics have an obligation to the truth, and spiritual works of mercy include instructing the ignorant and admonishing the sinful. Both of these may be called for in this situation, and mainstream Catholics, lukewarm as we can be sometimes, deserve to know the truth and need to hear it.



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To: HLPhat
Jefferson himself didn't agree with that himself. Baloney.

John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. The words of the Lord. So Jefferson did have a problem with objective truth when he dissected his own Bible despite this piece to the contrary.

61 posted on 06/24/2017 4:02:37 PM PDT by xone
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To: xone

>>So is your issue that they use Facebook?

More with the way they use Facebook. There was an interview with their Social Media manager in which he was rather proud of how he could manipulate the visibility of comments without alerting the contributors to the fact they were being censored.

That was an entirely different attitude from the teachers I had from 1972 through 1987 who openly discussed all relevant topics.

Sadly those teachers were never informed, or taught, about the issues and writings relating to Luther’s Antisemitism.

Otherwise I believe they would’ve honestly discussed it in the context of the history of WWII (since history class generally came right after 1st period religion).

Also, I took the same History courses - at the same College where those teachers studied. So did my wife who was an LCMS teacher for 25+ years.

We were both kind of shocked at what had been deliberately, apparently, left out of the curriculum at ALL levels of education.


62 posted on 06/24/2017 4:09:10 PM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: xone
Jefferson's faith evolved throughout his life.

And, despite protestations of some fallible and uninspired dominionists to the contrary - the ideas articulated in the Virginia Act are further codified in the 1st Amendment -- with the intent cast in stone for all to see with their own eyes and free mind.

"EDUCATE THE COMMON PEOPLE"
--Thomas Jefferson

Deal with it.

63 posted on 06/24/2017 4:15:36 PM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: HLPhat
So you go to a Lutheran teaching school take history and the teachers don't teach about Luther's JATL? Is that it? I never went to a Lutheran school let alone one for a degree in Education (got one elsewhere) and yet I knew of his writings. Just studying to pass the test?

We were both kind of shocked at what had been deliberately, apparently, left out of the curriculum

I'm shocked that you quit learning, never went to LCMS Bible class?

So did my wife who was an LCMS teacher for 25+ years.

Were you LCMS members at the time?

64 posted on 06/24/2017 4:21:21 PM PDT by xone
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To: HLPhat
Jefferson's faith evolved throughout his life.

As most people's do. He also cut up his Bible, unlike most people.

Deal with it.

Sounds like a plan for you.

65 posted on 06/24/2017 4:23:57 PM PDT by xone
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To: xone

be out till Monday.


66 posted on 06/24/2017 4:30:31 PM PDT by xone
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To: xone
>>Does Luther have scriptural references for TJATL?

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are not my people, so also am I not your God.

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passed with armies, then know that the desolation
thereof is nigh—for these le the days of vengeance

that all things which are written may te fulfilled.”
[King James Version, Chapter 21:20, 22]

CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL
Our Lord also calls them “Vipers.” In John
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the ivorks of Abraham. Verse 44: “Ye are of your
father, the Devil.”

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saith the Lord of Hosts yet, once, it is a little while
and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the
sea, and the dry land. And I will shake all nations!
and the desire of all nations shall come


Etc Etc.  The text is peppered with scriptural references throughout.

http://resist.com/Instauration/OtherPubs-20120723/TheJewsAndTheirLies-Luther.pdf


>>Didn’t think so.

Uhuh.  Didn't think.  So? 

So. Maybe you (or at least some people) would have done more thinking if it had been in the curriculum.

67 posted on 06/24/2017 4:32:33 PM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: xone

>>I’m shocked that you quit learning, never went to LCMS Bible class?

Tell us how “Shocked” you are at all those scripture references.

Mr. “Didn’t think so”.


68 posted on 06/24/2017 4:35:30 PM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: xone

>>yet I knew of his writings.

Sure you did Mr. “Didn’t think so” — Just like you “knew of” all those scripture references... NOT.


69 posted on 06/24/2017 4:53:32 PM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: xone

>>Just studying to pass the test?

You mean in Biology honors?


70 posted on 06/24/2017 4:57:12 PM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: NYer

How many Catholic pretenders did you see on Sunday with an I am with her bumper sticker on their car?

JoMa


71 posted on 06/25/2017 12:17:04 AM PDT by joma89
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
"So you are saying the entirety of the Catholic Church - all members - have been cast into the outer darkness and are no longer Roman Catholics??"

No. There is obviously a difference between sinning, which everybody does, and defiantly sinning. A person could fornicate, regret it, repent, and stay Catholic. But if you declare that fornication isn't a sin because you know better than Scripture, and openly say to all and sundry that you defy the sinfulness of fornication, you've put yourself in deliberate opposition to the Church.

The most problematic aspect of all this, today, is that the hierarchy is so spineless and corrupt that they refuse to confront and address people and groups that would be have been properly dealt with in the not so distant past. Instead of making it clear that Nancy Pelosi is excommunicated, they mumble something about Pelosi excommunicating herself, and then give her communion and stay mum while she announces to the world that she's pro-abortion and Catholic.

72 posted on 06/25/2017 5:49:48 AM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Flag burners can go screw -- I'm mighty PROUD of that ragged old flag)
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To: HLPhat
You mean in Biology honors?

Religious History.

73 posted on 06/25/2017 9:25:14 AM PDT by xone
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To: HLPhat
Sure you did Mr. “Didn’t think so” — Just like you “knew of” all those scripture references... NOT.

I told you I hadn't read it. Why would I? Is it profitable, doctrinal? Did I need confirmation Luther was a sinner? Because he wrote this execrable work does that invalidate his other Christ-centered works?

74 posted on 06/25/2017 9:28:36 AM PDT by xone
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To: HLPhat
Tell us how “Shocked” you are at all those scripture references. Mr. “Didn’t think so”.

I am shocked that Luther misused scripture like Satan does in producing this work.

75 posted on 06/25/2017 9:30:33 AM PDT by xone
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To: xone

>> I am shocked that Luther misused scripture like Satan does in producing this work.

Uhuh. Was it negligent of the LCMS not to include that material somewhere in its curriculum for preparing teachers so that the discovery wouldn’t have been so “shocking”?

It’s not like they didn’t know about it when CPH published their sanitized edition.


76 posted on 06/25/2017 11:37:51 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: xone

>>Religious History.

If I had known the work existed I would have explored it along with the thoughts of Kierkegaard, Merton, Nietzsche, Crowley etc.

But it was never mentioned in LCMS schools I attended from elementary through college.

What does this mean?


77 posted on 06/25/2017 11:48:26 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: xone

>>I told you I hadn’t read it. Why would I?

Why? For the same reason an annotated version of Mein Kampf is published in Germany today — with the intent of learning from history so it’s not repeated.


78 posted on 06/25/2017 11:57:07 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: HLPhat
Uhuh. Was it negligent of the LCMS not to include that material somewhere in its curriculum for preparing teachers so that the discovery wouldn’t have been so “shocking”?

The LCMS formally apologized and condemned JATL in 1983. I don't think negligence had anything to do with it. Anti-semitism at the time of Luther wasn't shocking it was prevalent.

79 posted on 06/26/2017 9:40:14 AM PDT by xone
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To: HLPhat
What does this mean?

That LCMS schools don't promote non-productive studies?Kierkegaard, Merton, Nietzsche, Crowley, read them on non-school time.

80 posted on 06/26/2017 9:42:46 AM PDT by xone
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