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The Problem of Catholic Pretenders
Crisis Magazine ^ | June 23, 2017 | K. E. COLOMBINI

Posted on 06/23/2017 6:21:23 PM PDT by NYer

Catholics always have been taught that the word “catholic” means “universal,” and arguably one of the hallmarks of the Catholic faith is that it recognizes no borders; while there are many rites, of which the Latin is the predominant one, there is one truth, one set of dogma.

As I consider this from St. Louis, Missouri, where my family and I have lived since 2000, I realize something must be askew with Catholic pretenders who crave independence over universality.

Several years ago, to greatly simplify a convoluted local history, a St. Louis parish operated for the benefit of the local Polish community split off from the archdiocese. Its parishioners, or, rather, a majority of its board of directors, decided that its church property was more important than Catholic unity. After years of wrangling, a settlement with the archdiocese ended the matter finally, with the breakaway Catholics, led by a defrocked and excommunicated priest, retaining control of their buildings.

St. Stanislaus Kostka was, and remains, a pretty church. It’s not grandly and gloriously beautiful like our cathedral, or the oratory at St. Francis de Sales. Rather, it’s what I’d call working-class beautiful, and far better than many of the suburban parishes built west of the city in the 1970s. St. Louis once earned the nickname “Rome of the West” because of the beauty of many of its older churches, an outward symbol of the faith and loyalty of the Catholics who built them.

While the battle over St. Stan’s was originally a property dispute, it evolved into something else. For with this property dispute, a virus was planted in the parish that led the parishioners away from Catholicism. St. Stan’s has become one of those churches that are merely posing to be Catholic, while embracing the wrong side of so many battles the Church is facing, especially those around sex and gender. It’s what one would call, in the euphemism of the day, a welcoming parish, welcoming visiting dissident celebrities and women priests and feeling more than welcome to join the city’s annual gay pride parade.

Oddly, however, despite its size and its stature in the progressive community, St. Stan’s isn’t alone. There’s St. Catherine of Siena, also located in St. Louis, where services are held in a former Lutheran church. It considers itself an “Independent Catholic Church,” but also considers itself part of the “Synodal” Catholic Church.

Not too far north of St. Catherine, on the other side of Forest Park in the city’s Central West End, and also not too far from our cathedral, lies the St. Therese of Divine Peace “Inclusive RC Community.” It has no qualms about claiming to be Roman Catholic; its pastor is a woman affiliated with Roman Catholic Womenpriests. Its offices and chapel space are courtesy the local First Unitarian Church.

Another “Catholic” church, Sts. Clare and Francis, operates in neighboring Webster Groves as part of what’s called the Ecumenical Catholic Communion. Its offices are at Eden Theological Seminary, affiliated with the United Church of Christ. The pastor is a former Catholic priest who left the church in 1990 because he couldn’t accept celibacy, and is now married to another man.

A little further west, in the city of Creve Coeur, Sts. Peter and Paul is part, not of the Ecumenical Catholic Communion, but the “Ecumenical Catholic Church+USA.” It holds its services at an Episcopal parish church, St. Timothy’s. The pastor is both a bishop in the church, and gainfully employed in local law enforcement.

Across the Missouri River further to the west, in St. Charles County, one comes across Christ the King Ministries and Mission Catholic Church, a storefront church which calls itself part of the schismatic “Brazilian Rite” of the Catholic Church.

In a metropolitan area with such a strong Catholic presence, these churches are relatively insignificant outliers. They also are common to other cities. What is remarkable about them, and why should we be at least a little concerned about them?

Consider what they have in common. They all claim Catholic roots, and those who run them are quick to tout ordination under apostolic succession and some sort of tie to the obscure Old Catholic breakaway after Vatican I. They diverge from their Catholic roots on radically similar lines, dealing primarily with the usual sex-and-gender issues, promoting open communion for the divorced and remarries and those living gay lives. They accept female priests, and married priests. Two of the churches, at least, do not use the new translation of the Mass, but the one that preceded it.

When it comes to the sacraments, one of the challenges is that they can pose as being traditionally Catholic, such as in promoting wedding services. Hence, one of the priests operates a business and website, where he acknowledges that “many Catholics—and others—are searching for an inviting, sacramental wedding experience with the richness of the Catholic tradition yet different from that offered by the Roman Catholic Church.”

Reading this website, one comes away with the idea that “the richness of Catholic tradition” that is different from one in a Catholic church means a wedding in a park or on a beach, between two people who probably should not be marrying each other. At the same time the priest promises the richness of Catholic tradition, he throws it out the window: “Whatever your background, we will make sure that your wedding reflects and honors your beliefs.”

Such churches and services can only confuse those who don’t know enough to know better. For a long time, our local newspaper, the Post-Dispatch, ran church advertisements in its paltry Religion section on Saturdays. Under the Catholic category, one would find one or two Catholic churches, but also Sts. Peter and Paul mentioned above, with no differentiation. Likewise, people searching online for Catholic wedding services can easily be confused. Unfortunately, there is little the archdiocese can do about it, since these churches don’t respect canon law.

There are, however, two things the local church should do. First, ensure that Catholic adults have a clear understanding of Catholic teaching around these issues. Address them in an open and positive way—because our message is a fundamentally positive one. Second, call out the pretenders by name. Make clear to Catholics that these churches and services are not Catholic, despite what they advertise, and that they are to be avoided. If there are any ways in particular that these phony Catholic websites are misrepresenting themselves and skirting the truth and painting themselves as something they are not, make that known.

Catholics have an obligation to the truth, and spiritual works of mercy include instructing the ignorant and admonishing the sinful. Both of these may be called for in this situation, and mainstream Catholics, lukewarm as we can be sometimes, deserve to know the truth and need to hear it.



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To: HLPhat
with the intent of learning from history so it’s not repeated.

AFAIK in my time, never been around anti-semites or associated with them. My knowledge of history is deep enough that I don't need to read another screed. And yet history is indeed repeating itself in my lifetime. Eccl 1:9

81 posted on 06/26/2017 9:47:04 AM PDT by xone
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To: xone

“I knew of his writings.”

64 posted on 6/24/2017, 5:21:21 PM by xone

Bullshyte.

"I am shocked that Luther misused scripture like Satan does in producing this work. "

75 posted on 6/25/2017, 10:30:33 AM by xone

Evidently you didn’t know what was IN Luther's writings any better than the individuals under the purview of LCMS' curriculum - regardless of whether they were teachers or students.

Here's some more extracuricular reading the LCMS didn't cover:

"We are at liberty to be real, or to be unreal. We may be true or false, the choice is ours. We may wear now one mask and now another, and never, if we so desire, appear with our own true face. But we cannot make these choices with impunity. Causes have effects, and if we lie to ourselves and to others, then we cannot expect to find truth and reality whenever we happen to want them.
If we have chosen the way of falsity we must not be surprised that truth eludes us when we finally come to need it! "

--Thomas Merton

"The right to search for truth implies also a duty; one must not conceal any part of what one has recognized to be true."
--Albert Einstein

No big surprise there!

82 posted on 06/26/2017 9:59:34 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: xone
>>AFAIK in my time, never been around anti-semites or associated with them.

Meanwhile - the LCMS' Icon for their "more catholic than Catholic" reformation is...

 
The drunken antisemitic author of -- "On the Jews and their Lies"

 

Are you not aware that when Marty farted all the angels danced in heaven?


83 posted on 06/26/2017 10:39:53 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: HLPhat
the LCMS' Icon for their "more catholic than Catholic"

You really are a bridge-builder guy. You know many anti-semites in LCMS today?

84 posted on 06/27/2017 7:46:50 AM PDT by xone
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To: xone
>>You really are a bridge-builder guy.

Unlike the "leadership" of the LCMS' Corporate HQ and District hierarchical religious fifedoms, I have no interest at all in building syncretic bridges to collectivist, fallible and uninspired, religious state-establishments.

 

YMMV.

Leme know when your "bridge-building" hierarchical parrots, adorned in vestigial plumage left over from the Roman empire and perched atop their fallible and uninspired infrastructure and Social Media empires in St. Louis, publish a position paper explaining their white washed edition of Martin Luther's "On The Jews and Their Lies".

"We are at liberty to be real, or to be unreal. We may be true or false, the choice is ours. We may wear now one mask and now another, and never, if we so desire, appear with our own true face. But we cannot make these choices with impunity. Causes have effects, and if we lie to ourselves and to others, then we cannot expect to find truth and reality whenever we happen to want them. 
If we have chosen the way of falsity we must not be surprised that truth eludes us when we finally come to need it! "

--Thomas Merton

"The right to search for truth implies also a duty; one must not conceal any part of what one has recognized to be true."
--Albert Einstein


85 posted on 06/27/2017 8:48:11 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: xone

You can't "build bridges" with syncretic religious fraud... unless your objective is to simply build more syncretic religious fraud.

"Truth is Great and Will Prevail"
--Thomas Jefferson (who, unlike Martin Luther, wasn't heroically mentioned in Mein Kampf)

===============================

 

 "Islam did not rise except through Ali's sword and Khadijah's wealth," 

 

https://books.google.com/books?id=s6sYxzbiP-gC&pg=PA276&lpg=PA276&dq=Mecca+Convents&source=bl&ots=MCUIDvA-gA&sig=XlSQr3hdngfxi9PwL9nE4V81lQ4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjg2JuMrpTPAhUQ8GMKHZPOCS4Q6AEIKTAC#v=onepage&q=Mecca%20Convents&f=false


https://books.google.com/books?id=Wl0PAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA227&lpg=PA227&dq=Khadija+convents&source=bl&ots=S4CgWdu0oz&sig=WqLh2T2uHn7D30FqixqizsIb-wg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj4pZHysZTPAhXJeSYKHVVoBiMQ6AEIQDAH#v=onepage&q=Khadija%20convents&f=false


86 posted on 06/27/2017 9:19:41 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: HLPhat

Not what ‘bridge-builder’ means. Were you not in a Lutheran college in 1983? If so, how did you miss the useless apology? LCMS isn’t building syncretic bridges to anyone. To the extent they engage the Catholics is to honor Jesus’ desire for unity. Sadly there can be no unity without unity of doctrine and that isn’t happening, there isn’t unity of terms.


87 posted on 06/27/2017 9:30:48 AM PDT by xone
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To: xone
>>Not what ‘bridge-builder’ means.

Call it whatever you want.  Your symantic “unity of doctrine” is a dogmatic object of worship not unlike the other Created Things worshiped and served per Romans chapter 1. 

For years, LCMS' hierarchical self-worshiping semantacists have been about as relevant as teats on a bull to the congregations they've left swinging in the "autonomous" breeze - where the actual WORK of the called is performed.

Faith isn't rendered by "unity of doctrine" -- it's rendered in the individual hearts and minds of the priesthood of all believers by the Holy Spirit - through HIS Word.

>>If so, how did you miss the useless apology?

Easy to miss because it wasn’t, and has never been, in the curriculum, super genius. 

It never once came up in the class rooms, or the dorm rooms, or the locker rooms, or the bar rooms -- where enquiring minds explored and debated all subjects on campus.

And there's STILL no position paper explaining why the CPH edition of The Jews and Their Lies is, for all practical appearances, a white wash.

 

Meanwhile - the LCMS' Icon for their "more catholic than Catholic" reformation is still...

 
The drunken antisemitic author of -- "On the Jews and their Lies"


88 posted on 06/27/2017 9:54:22 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: HLPhat
Your symantic “unity of doctrine” is a dogmatic object of worship not unlike the other Created Things worshiped and served per Romans chapter 1.

No it isn't, it is answering the call of Christ in John 17. There is no unity without doctrinal unity rooted in God's Word. Not worshipped or served, a common confession of our Lord IAW His prayer.

As for Luther, whatever confession you make best not have a human in its development. They are indeed sinful.

89 posted on 06/28/2017 8:13:42 AM PDT by xone
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To: xone

The call of Christ is answered by individuals through the work of the Holy Spirit in the Word.

Not by the “unification” pronounced by self-worshipping parrots preening their vestigial Roman plumage from a perch in Saint Louis.


90 posted on 06/28/2017 8:46:14 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: HLPhat
Not by the “unification” pronounced by self-worshipping parrots preening their vestigial Roman plumage from a perch in Saint Louis.

Your opinion is in contrast to what Jesus prayed. There is no unification in play and won't be whilst others develop doctrine outside of the Word. Kind of like those who can read John 17 and come away with a wrong opinion.

91 posted on 06/28/2017 8:57:47 AM PDT by xone
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To: xone
>>Your opinion is in contrast to what Jesus prayed. There is no unification in play....<

 

Matt 10:34-36

34 "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn

"'a man against his father,

a daughter against her mother,

a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—

36 a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.'e

NIV

I get the impression you know about as much about what Jesus prayed as you "knew of" Luther's writings....

“I knew of his writings.”

64 posted on 6/24/2017, 5:21:21 PM by xone

"I am shocked that Luther misused scripture like Satan does in producing this work. "

75 posted on 6/25/2017, 10:30:33 AM by xone


... which is typically symptomatic of a disengenuous, fallible and uninspired, parrot trying to pull a dominating opinion out of the Southern end of their digestive tract.

Meanwhile the priesthood of all believers operates by the power of the Holy Spirit through the Word -- without any vestigial "unified" Roman plumage being requisitely applied.

92 posted on 06/28/2017 9:37:49 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: xone
Furthermore, religious dogma is an unlikely place to find "unification".

If you genuinely want to "build bridges", try acknowledging REALITY, first:

"FUZZY WUZZY GALAXYRelatively short arms of gas and dust lend a woolly appearance to the spiral galaxy known as NGC 2841. The galaxy lies about 46 million light-years from Earth in the constellation Ursa Major, the Great Bear. NGC 2841 is unusual because its tightly curled arms display a relatively low rate of star formation compared with other spiral galaxies."

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/03/150316-50-great-images-from-the-hubble-space-telescope/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialAds&utm_content=link_fb20170406-hubble-images-50-adv&utm_campaign=content-ads-lg&kwp_0=448866&kwp_4=1645410&kwp_1=707580

light year
ˈlīt ˈˌyi(ə)r/
noun
ASTRONOMY
  1. a unit of astronomical distance equivalent to the distance that light travels in one year, which is 9.4607 × 1012 km (nearly 6 trillion miles).


93 posted on 06/28/2017 9:41:43 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: HLPhat
Your Matt passage concerns believers vs unbelievers. The persecution to come.

Did you bother to read John 17. In it Christ wants His followers to be unified.

I get the impression you know about as much about what Jesus prayed as you "knew of" Luther's writings..

Your opinion, I believe you already referenced opinions. I see where yours originates. Have a nice day.

94 posted on 06/28/2017 10:00:52 AM PDT by xone
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To: xone

>>Your Matt passage concerns believers vs unbelievers

In Saint Louis that evidently means “believers” as defined by vestigially plumaged Roman parrots who assume dominion over the faith of others by, among other things, asserting the world is only 6000 year old.

>>In it Christ wants His followers to be unified.

What would Christ see when he looks through a telescope?

In the case of the FUZZY WUZZY GALAXY, He’d see Light that’s been traveling for 46 million years.  That's reality; and it's an observable reality that is, contrary to parroted FALLIBLE AND UNINSPIRED opinion, NOT contradicted by Scripture.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/03/150316-50-great-images-from-the-hubble-space-telescope/

>>I see where yours originates.

Sure you do.  Just like...

“I knew of his writings.”

64 posted on 6/24/2017, 5:21:21 PM by xone

"I am shocked that Luther misused scripture like Satan does in producing this work. "

75 posted on 6/25/2017, 10:30:33 AM by xone


95 posted on 06/28/2017 10:17:24 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: xone

We are at liberty to be real, or to be unreal. We may be true or false, the choice is ours. We may wear now one mask and now another, and never, if we so desire, appear with our own true face. But we cannot make these choices with impunity. Causes have effects, and if we lie to ourselves and to others, then we cannot expect to find truth and reality whenever we happen to want them.
If we have chosen the way of falsity we must not be surprised that truth eludes us when we finally come to need it!

--Thomas Merton

Disingenuous character rooted in dogmatic pride - THAT is why you and the parrots have lost credibility and no longer even have schools for any curriculum to be relevant in.

96 posted on 06/28/2017 10:27:21 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: HLPhat

Wow, you are just as informed on this subject as the other.


97 posted on 06/28/2017 10:37:03 AM PDT by xone
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To: xone
>>Wow, you are just as informed on this subject as the other.

Wow. Unlike you, I knew Martin Luther, the antisemitic drunk and LCMS Icon for the Reformation, provided a plethora of scriptural references in his "On the Jews and Their Lies"

Your disingenuous words speak for themselves!

98 posted on 06/28/2017 10:42:32 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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