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To: daniel1212

Just stop your hate please. The Protestants killed Catholics all over England and Ireland for not being heretics.

The only historical time I know of when the Pope sent out legions was to defeat the Muslims at the battle of Lepanto. Do you object to that?


128 posted on 07/01/2017 7:52:24 PM PDT by amihow (.size)
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To: amihow

Who sent the official Inquisitors?


129 posted on 07/01/2017 8:10:15 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: amihow
Just stop your hate please

Please do not be like a liberal and respond to reproof by labeling one a "hater."

The Protestants killed Catholics all over England and Ireland for not being heretics.

Indeed the early Prots had much to unlearn from Rome, and even today, but the issue was not a denial that Protestants killed but that the church of Rome did. Therefore the reproof of your denial remains.

The only historical time I know of when the Pope sent out legions

Who was speaking about the Pope sending out legions? You are trying to protect Rome from being guilty of shedding blood by a perverse idea of what constitutes doing so. Scripture says that the Jews killed the Lord Jesus, (1 Thessalonians 2:15) yet they never directly shed His blood.

Likewise Rome requiring RC rulers to exterminate those Rome deems as heretics is indeed that of Rome shedding blood.

Canons of the Ecumenical Fourth Lateran Council (canon 3), 1215, convoked by Pope Innocent III with the papal bull Vineam domini Sabaoth of 19 April 1213:

We excommunicate and anathematize every heresy that raises against the holy, orthodox and Catholic faith which we have above explained; condemning all heretics under whatever names they may be known, for while they have different faces they are nevertheless bound to each other by their tails, since in all of them vanity is a common element.

Those condemned, being handed over to the secular rulers of their bailiffs, let them be abandoned, to be punished with due justice, clerics being first degraded from their orders. As to the property of the condemned, if they are laymen, let it be confiscated; if clerics, let it be applied to the churches from which they received revenues. But those who are only suspected, due consideration being given to the nature of the suspicion and the character of the person, unless they prove their innocence by a proper defense, let them be anathematized and avoided by all until they have made suitable satisfaction; but if they have been under excommunication for one year, then let them be condemned as heretics.

Secular authorities, whatever office they may hold, shall be admonished and induced and if necessary compelled by ecclesiastical censure, that as they wish to be esteemed and numbered among the faithful, so for the defense of the faith they ought publicly to take an oath that they will strive in good faith and to the best of their ability to exterminate in the territories subject to their jurisdiction all heretics pointed out by the Church; so that whenever anyone shall have assumed authority, whether spiritual or temporal, let him be bound to confirm this decree by oath.

But if a temporal ruler, after having been requested and admonished by the Church, should neglect to cleanse his territory of this heretical foulness, let him be excommunicated by the metropolitan and the other bishops of the province. If he refuses to make satisfaction within a year, let the matter be made known to the supreme pontiff, that he may declare the ruler’s vassals absolved from their allegiance and may offer the territory to be ruled lay Catholics, who on the extermination of the heretics may possess it without hindrance and preserve it in the purity of faith; the right, however, of the chief ruler is to be respected as long as he offers no obstacle in this matter and permits freedom of action.

The same law is to be observed in regard to those who have no chief rulers (that is, are independent). Catholics who have girded themselves with the cross for the extermination of the heretics, shall enjoy the indulgences and privileges granted to those who go in defense of the Holy Land. (http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/lateran4.asp)

Pope Innocent III, Cum ex Officii Nostri of 1207: In order altogether to remove the patrimony of St. Peter from heretics, we decree as a perpetual law, that whatsoever heretic, especially if he be a Patarene, shall be found therein, shall immediately be taken and delivered to the secular court to be punished according to the law. All his goods also shall be sold, so that he who took him shall receive one part; another shall go the court which convicted him, and the third shall be applied to the building of prisons in the country wherein he was taken. The house, however, in which a heretic has been received shall be altogether destroyed, nor shall anyone presume to rebuild it; but let that which was a den of iniquity become a receptacle of filth. Moreover, their believers and defenders shall be fined one fourth part of their goods, which shall be applied to the service of the public. — Cum ex Officii Nostri Pope Innocent III, 1207, Inquisition, by Edward Peters, p. 49 review

was to defeat the Muslims at the battle of Lepanto. Do you object to that?

As the church raising an army, yes, as the use of the sword of men was never sanctioned for the church, For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) (2 Corinthians 10:3-4)

Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. (John 18:36)

When the church does what the state is only sanctioned to do its long term effect is negative, as is the state doing what only the church is only sanctioned to do. To this day Muslims invoke the Crusades (which was that of the pope raising up armies to achieve her ends) as an example of Christian religious violence, which can never be laid at the feet of the NT church.

142 posted on 07/02/2017 5:08:20 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Tust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + folllow Him.)
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To: amihow

Your vanity is showing.
Did not Jesus send out his men with swords?


150 posted on 07/02/2017 6:17:17 AM PDT by amihow (.size)
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