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[Fantasywriter]

Oh, I am so sorry. The fault is entirely mine. For some strange, regrettable reason I saw your screen name but read it as someone else’s. Iow, I thought the post was directed to me, but came from a different person altogether.

Is such a thing even possible?

Aliens...

[Fantasywriter]

‘The King James Version is not exactly a Catholic translation; one might call it the king of Protestant translations.’

Noted.

In 1 Corinthians 13 the meaning of ‘perfect’ is derived from context. If you have the time and inclination, read the entire chapter and see if it’s not clear that Paul is speaking, in terms of the perfect, of the Second Coming. I’d be very surprised if his references toward the end of the chapter don’t clarify it to your satisfaction.

[Resettozero]

Oh, I am so sorry. The fault is entirely mine. For some strange, regrettable reason I saw your screen name but read it as someone else’s. Iow, I thought the post was directed to me, but came from a different person altogether.

Is such a thing even possible?

Aliens...

Has affected me similarly. Any one of the four or five routine resident FR RF gobblydegookers posting while I try to think straight can get the tail chasing the dog almost everytime.

Posting on the RF is mental exercise I force on myself to slow the onset of senility and to reaffirm the overweening stupidity of men. This is a great place to come for helpless, hopeless, fruitless interaction with members of the RCC, especially when it is not one of their FR proprietary caucuses . (They must think EVERY FR RF thread has to be pro-RCC and if it isn't, it's deemed Catholic bashing every single time by one of the handful of protected RC posters.)

And no. Not aliens; CERN's a'turnin' again.

[af_vet_1981]

Corinthians clearly discussed a child maturing and becoming a man, putting away childish things, in this context. The message moves on to other matters (women, etc.). There is a reference to the coming (Apocalypse not Parousia) in the first chapter and the coming (Parousia) in the next to last chapter, so when the Apostle wants the reader to know it is about the coming of the LORD Jesus Christ it is very clear in the letter.

What about Strong's list of 19 occurrences they seem to refer to Christians becoming mature and perfect ? Should those be checked to determine what the Greek word might mean in a scriptural context, especially if the were cohesive?

[Fantasywriter]

Classic post! I laughed and laughed. You have a gift with words.

‘CERN’s a’turnin’ again.’

The next time I need a bigger, better than average excuse, I now have it. Thanks!

[Fantasywriter]

Here’s an excellent commentary on the subject in question. (What makes the context of this reference to the perfect so crucial are the multiple allusions to the Second Coming. You’ll see the commentator pull it all together.)

‘The reason that spiritual gifts like prophecy and tongues will come to an end is revealed in 13:9-10. Paul writes, “For we know in part and we prophesy in part; but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away.” Paul explains that we are limited in our understanding, but this will not always be the case. A time of perfection is coming! The “perfect” refers to the returning of Christ.20 When we recall that 1:7 pointed out the ongoing role of the gifts until the return of Christ, there can be only one possible interpretation of “perfection”—it is the life in the world to come, after Jesus reappears on earth.’

https://bible.org/seriespage/28-love-knows-no-limits-1-corinthians-131-13

Since it was mentioned, here is 1 Corinthians 1:7:

7 so that you are not lacking in any gift, awaiting eagerly the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ,

[af_vet_1981]

... there can be only one possible interpretation of “perfection” ...

The phrase word is not "perfection."

The Apostle uses the word often in his letters as Strong's listed. For example, look at how the word "perfect" is used:

And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

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Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

Ephesians, Catholic chapter four, Protestant verses eleven to thirteen,
Phillipians Catholic chapter three, Protestant verses thirteen to fifteen,

as authorized, but not authored, by King James

[Fantasywriter]

Neither of those two passages speak of “the perfect,” in the context of Jesus’ Second Coming. [It’s possible to get too legalistic, btw. I knew exactly what the commentator meant because I was following his discourse. It was fascinating.]

[af_vet_1981]

Strong's indicates there are 19 occurrences of the word, which is an adjective, which begs the question, "the perfect" what ?:

Strong's Greek: 5046. τέλειος (teleios) — 19 Occurrences





teleios: having reached its end, i.e. complete, by ext. perfect
Original Word: τέλειος, α, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: teleios
Phonetic Spelling: (tel'-i-os)
Short Definition: perfect, full-grown
Definition: perfect, (a) complete in all its parts, (b) full grown, of full age, (c) specially of the completeness of Christian character.

[Fantasywriter]

The only Perfect that, according to Paul, will bring an end to prophecy.

[af_vet_1981]

And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

First Corinthians, Catholic chapter thirteen, Protestant verse thirteen,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

[Fantasywriter]

Here are the vss you omitted:

8 Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are 
tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part; 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. 11 When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things.12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I aldo have been fully known. 

(You have a gift for omitting important passages.)

[ravenwolf]

I hope this helps?

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It is so easy to draw our own conclusions, My conclusion is that Paul was mistaken in why Peter left the gentiles and went to eat with the Jews.

[af_vet_1981]

nuni: now
Original Word: νυνί
Part of Speech: Adverb
Transliteration: nuni
Phonetic Spelling: (noo-nee')
Short Definition: now, already, at present

Definition: adv. (a) of time: just now, even now; just at hand, immediately, 

(b) of logical connection: now then, (c) in commands and appeals: at this instant.

[ravenwolf]

Where did you read that? Or did you mistype.

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Most of the comments in search are in agreement that Mary the mother of James and Joses is the same as Mary the wife of Cleopas

Mathew 27
56
Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee’s children.

Jn 19:25
“And there were standing by the cross of Jesus His mother and His mother’s sister, Mary of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalen.

James is described as the son of Alphaeus who may or may not be Cleopas

Cleophas is the brother of Joseph.

I have no doubt that James and Joses was the sons of Mary the wife of Cleopas.

And as far as the four so called brothers of Jesus are concerned Josepth is not mentioned as the father of any of them.

You would think he would be called the father of one or two of them if they were children of Mary.

[ravenwolf]

The Mark passage indeed mentions it. To see this clearly, all we have to do is change the names.

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No, i do not see it like that at all, it is said that the apostles spoke Hebrew and even though they wrote in Greek they were most likely still thinking in Hebrew as they were Hebrews.

Paul was an exception because he had an exceptional education.

[Fantasywriter]

Your comment highlights one of the reasons the Holy Spirit inspired the Scriptures—so that we can have confidence in what has been written. If the Scripture were not inspired and inerrant we would be constantly wondering if we could really rely on and trust what has been recorded.

For example, if a pastor preached a sermon on a certain passage, we could greet him at the door afterwards with, ‘But what if the passage you preached on is in error?’

We can’t do that now because we have been told that the Holy Spirit inspired all Scripture. None of it was written at the whim of man; it’s all from God.

For that reason we know Paul was in the right. It is recorded that way, and the Holy Spirit allowed it. Thus His imprimatur is upon it, and like all the rest of the Scripture it is useful for our spiritual development.

2 Timothy 3:

16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate,
equipped for every good work.

[Fantasywriter]

In that case you are not arguing with me. You are arguing with God. He is the One who selected Koine Greek as the language for the New Testament. He is the One who inspired the entire Bible, including the books of the New Testament. We are told the recorded word was, “God-breathed.” When you take issue with the result (i.e.: the wording), you’re not taking issue with me. You’re questioning God’s judgment and integrity.

Time for prayer. Only the Holy Spirit can help with issues of that nature and on that level. I will pray for you. May a blessed and righteous resolution ensue.

[Resettozero]

On this hand of FR RF, there are the believers in the Jesus of Nazareth as revealed in the Bible. On the other hand are wishful-but-carnal believers who don’t hesitate to question the Written Word (the Bible) and form their own independent opinions, or choose to honor their sects’ traditions above the Bible as regarding Jesus and what the Bible has revealed about Him to the sheep of HIS pastures.

I used to fall in the second category. Until I ran smack dab into the Way, the Truth, and the Life and could no longer downplay or alter His written Word. That was because I had changed my mind utterly and died to myself as lord that day in order to be born of the Spirit Who goes wherever He wills and Who wrote the Bible utilizing various willing men led perfectly by the Spirit of God. But you probably know how the Born Again tend to see Biblical things differently than the rest of humanity.

Here’s a link that may add to your current understanding of the matter you seem to dwell upon — if you can accept it:
http://www.biblestudy.org/question/did-jesus-have-brothers-and-sisters.html

[ravenwolf]

For that reason we know Paul was in the right.

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So although the writers made no mistake in their writing they did make mistakes in their action?

That is confusing to me because writing is part of their actions.