[Arthur McGowan]

The Council was totally unnecessary, and should never have been called.

The two most destructive actions:

1) Uglification of the Mass (Novus Ordo)

2) Abandonment of memorization (in U.S., Baltimore Catechism) The “catechetical collapse* was a CHOICE.

[livius]

Nothing is going to improve until VII is reexamined and rejected almost in its entirety.

[CMRosary]

The two most destructive actions: It's a Protestant "mass", lifted whole-cloth from the Book of Common Prayer. We're told that Annibale Bugnini convened a "consilium" unsurprisingly comprised mostly of protestants, who sweated and strained to create a liturgy everyone could agree on. Not true at all. The Book of Common Prayer is hardly a secret. Look it up, and you'll find the Bogus Ordo right there, almost word for word. Here's the link for the Book of Common Prayer: http://www.episcopalchurch.org/files/downloads/book_of_common_prayer.pdf Now, for those who doubt what I have said, see for yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APybNbpm4K0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioix3uJyJmA Ask yourself why the Church would cast aside the liturgy that nurtured our forebears, built magnificent, awe-inspiring churches and cathedrals, and fostered saints, whom we so deeply admire, only to replace it with an already-existing protestant service.

[Campion]

Uglification of the Mass (Novus Ordo)

I think that's to be laid more at the feet of Paul VI than at the council itself.

And how much of that "uglification" was neither required nor commanded by the Council or by Paul VI, but was merely permitted by lazy or heterodox bishops, and has now become embedded and institutionalized?