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To: ebb tide
Up until Amoris Laetitia, I probably fell into a combination of the "Orthodox Concern" group mentioned above ("The Orthodox Concern acknowledges the existence of problems in the Church that began in the 1960’s. But Vatican II is not to blame; problems...due to...poor implementation of Vatican II") + purposeful misinterpretation of ambiguity in the documents, like what's happened with Amoris Laetitia.

In the past 16 months I've changed over to "Vatican II itself has fundamental problems; problems of ambiguity and perhaps even erroneous teachings." Bishop Anthanasius Schneider helped with his opinion that the Council was NOT infallible, one of the reasons being that they themselves said it wasn't. He has suggested a syllabus of errors be created. If that's done, in addition to that, whatever ambiguity exists in the documents needs to be tightened up, like the dubia cardinals want to do with Amoris Laetitia. Or ditch whatever documents are adversely affecting the Church altogether.

I also never had a problem with the Novus Ordo. But, in light of the destruction I've realized in the past 16 months that it's caused, I believe we should return to the Extraordinary Form. And I agree with Arthur about the Catechism.

4 posted on 08/15/2017 12:06:47 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod (To restore all things in Christ~~Appeasing evil is cowardice~~Francis is temporary. Hell is forever.)
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To: BlessedBeGod; All

The beauty of Francis is the fact that he is waking up so many Catholics.


5 posted on 08/15/2017 12:16:31 PM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: BlessedBeGod
He has suggested a syllabus of errors be created.

I think Pope Blessed Pius IX's Syllabus of Errors is as applicable today as it was in 1862. Francis is full of it with his "god of surprises".

The Syllabus Of Errors

6 posted on 08/15/2017 12:30:08 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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