[EliRoom8]

Those Christians who view the Rapture as an escape for believer/ losers/fanatics may have their wishes granted. They will be able to p"prove their metal" by going through the Tribulation.(gnashing of teeth, etc.)

[EliRoom8]

“stellarium”

[Telepathic Intruder]

I've never believed in "guaranteed salvation". That presumes that once you've said "Jesus is my lord", you can do whatever you want without consequence.

At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.

It is not hard to stand firm to the end, by the way. Just don't be fooled by what the world says. When you listen to the world, you have your ear to the devil.

[trebb]

So, some folks will be saved but "not saved enough" for the Rapture to take them....so many theories out there that we might as well all just concede that Jesus wasted His Blood and none of us (except for those who compile the theories) will be saved.

I believe Jesus shed His blood for me and all my sins - past/present/future because He understands that the stiff-necked folks who insisted on the Commandments had served to prove that none of us could ever be worthy in and of ourselves. And when God told us that there would be a time of a New Covenant where a man's sins would not be visited upon his children, men would have knowledge of His existence written in their minds and hearts, and that He would forgive their wickedness and recognize their sins no more, He was speaking the Truth and He followed up by sending Jesus to pay our death penalties that we might be made worthy by His actions.

[freedomjusticeruleoflaw]

The truly amazing part... The people who refuse to look at the Scott Clarke videos. In my experience, the vast majority.

[Arlis]

The great problem is this: most Christians do not know the difference between the gift of salvation which is totally by grace and REWARDS given to those who are faithful. Both are clearly taught in scripture.

We are clearly rewarded for faithfulness - rewards are for works done BY THE LORD IN AND THROUGH US - NOT WORKS WE DO “FOR HIM” - there is a huge difference there as well.

It just may be that being caught up with the Lord (non-scriptural word “rapture” - word is parousia - “nearness” or “appearing”) is a REWARD for those who are faithful, and those who are still walking in the flesh, not longing to see the Lord, DO go through the tribulation - where they are “ripened” in their faith and get serious about their relationship with the Lord.

We cannot be clear if a partial rapture is certain - but it may be a possibility.

That is why we always need to “watch & pray”, live like He is coming today, and long for His coming.......

[Just mythoughts]

That ‘tribulation’ some have devised an escape hatch from, is mass deception. Revelation 12:9 names the fake Jesus.

[ravenwolf]

1 Corinthians 15
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

How much plainer could it be?
You can not be raised until after you die.