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To: RegulatorCountry

You are incorrigibly foolish. The Pope’s spontaneous statements and sometimes whacky utterances do not make for Catholic doctrine or theology any more than the Rev. Al Sharpton speaks for Protestants.

Catholic beliefs are found in the Credo and in the Catholic Catechism.
Your statement that no “Pope has authority over me” is partially true. However, when the Pope speaks ex cathedra, his formal pronouncement of Catholic teachings and taken in conjunction with the Bishops and the College of Cardinals, he speaks on behalf of the Church founded by Christ. The one and only true Church.

The rest is pure fluff of the Joel Osteen or Rev. Graham variety where authoritative scriptural interpretation cannot be found and instead dissipates in the effluvia of the David Koresh’s, Jim Jones’ of this world and every other corner street nutball Protestant pastor.


25 posted on 11/17/2017 3:28:19 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

My statement regarding the Pope is entirely true. The rest of your ramblings apparently make sense to you, somehow in some way that you deemed pertinent to this discussion, but come across rather more like regurgitation from someone who wants to condemn but lacks any concrete basis from which to respond.


28 posted on 11/17/2017 3:31:50 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Steelfish

“However, when the Pope speaks ex cathedra, his formal pronouncement of Catholic teachings and taken in conjunction with the Bishops and the College of Cardinals, he speaks on behalf of the Church founded by Christ. The one and only true Church.

Christ founded an assembly. Not a church.

Your claim is Not found in Scripture.

Your claim is not believed by any church outside Rome.


79 posted on 11/17/2017 4:36:14 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Steelfish; aMorePerfectUnion

Unam Sanctam....the pope has exclusive authority over you.


89 posted on 11/17/2017 4:46:21 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: Steelfish; RegulatorCountry
Nobody claiming to be representative of all Protestantism has decided to elect Al Sharpton to represent Protestantism to the rest of the world.

Your examples and criticisms fall flat.

97 posted on 11/17/2017 4:58:17 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: Steelfish; RegulatorCountry
However, when the Pope speaks ex cathedra, his formal pronouncement of Catholic teachings and taken in conjunction with the Bishops and the College of Cardinals, he speaks on behalf of the Church founded by Christ. The one and only true Church.

Pope Boniface VIII, Bull Unam sanctam (1302): "We are compelled in virtue of our faith to believe and maintain that there is only one holy Catholic Church, and that one is apostolic. This we firmly believe and profess without qualification. Outside this Church there is no salvation and no remission of sins, the Spouse in the Canticle proclaiming: 'One is my dove, my perfect one. One is she of her mother, the chosen of her that bore her' (Canticle of Canticles 6:8); which represents the one mystical body whose head is Christ, of Christ indeed, as God. And in this, 'one Lord, one faith, one baptism' (Ephesians 4:5). Certainly Noah had one ark at the time of the flood, prefiguring one Church which perfect to one cubit having one ruler and guide, namely Noah, outside of which we read all living things were destroyed… We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

St. Thomas Aquinas: It is also shown that to be subject to the Roman Pontiff is necessary for salvation. For Cyril says in his Thesaurus: “Therefore, brethren, if we imitate Christ so as to hear his voice remaining in the Church of Peter and so as not be puffed up by the wind of pride, lest perhaps because of our quarrelling the wily serpent drive us from paradise as once he did Eve.” And Maximus in the letter addressed to the Orientals [Greeks] says: “The Church united and established upon the rock of Peter’s confession we call according to the decree of the Savior the universal Church, wherein we must remain for the salvation of our souls and wherein loyal to his faith and confession we must obey him.” — St. Thomas Aquinas, Against the Errors of the Greeks, Pt. 2, ch. 36
http://dhspriory.org/thomas/ContraErrGraecorum.htm#b38

Therefore, if anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole Church; or that the Roman Pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy: let him be anathema. — Vatican 1, Ses. 4, Cp. 1

Fifth Lateran Council: Moreover, since subjection to the Roman pontiff is necessary for salvation for all Christ's faithful, as we are taught by the testimony of both sacred scripture and the holy fathers, and as is declared by the constitution of pope Boniface VIII of happy memory, also our predecessor, which begins Unam sanctam, we therefore...renew and give our approval to that constitution... Fifth Lateran CouncilSession 11, 19 December 1516,
http://www.piar.hu/councils/ecum18.htm

Pope Pius IX, Amantissimus: “There are other, almost countless, proofs drawn from the most trustworthy witnesses which clearly and openly testify with great faith, exactitude, respect and obedience that all who want to belong to the true and only Church of Christ must honor and obey this Apostolic See and Roman Pontiff." Pope Pius IX, Amantissimus (On The Care Of The Churches), Encyclical promulgated on April 8, 1862, # 3.
http://www.ewtn.com/library/ENCYC/P9AMANT2.HTM

107 posted on 11/17/2017 5:22:12 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: Steelfish
The Pope’s spontaneous statements and sometimes whacky utterances do not make for Catholic doctrine or theology any more than the Rev. Al Sharpton speaks for Protestants.

Then just WHY are so many of you Catholics wearing wadded panties these days?

Do you think that your collective whining and moaning is actually going to CHANGE anything in the Leadership of the church??

228 posted on 11/18/2017 5:13:05 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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