Posted on 11/28/2017 12:09:34 PM PST by ebb tide
> The only part of the Bible written by G-d Himself rather than inspired people is the Torah. The Torah never had to be canonized by a human authority.
I have read the Five Books of Moses with Rashi’s commentary. But I do not learn the Written Torah. Gentiles do not have a Divine commandment of learning Torah, but this is rather an obligation that is included in the seven commandments themselves. It is obligatory for a Gentile to learn the seven commandments. We are permitted to learn them even in a way of delving into them, meaning deeply learning to understand the details within the Noahide Code.
> I was merely offering my own assistance to your posed dilemmas. I apologize to Hrvatski Noahid if I have answered wrongly out of ignorance or if he feels I have interfered in a conversation in which I have no business.
You are the reason I joined Free Republic.
How does it work, then, is the "Oral" Torah written down? Aren't you making man's interpretation of God's word equal to the written Divine revelation? It isn't subjective interpretation to read what God plainly said and believe it.
And WHY would a Gentile ever need to offer a sacrifice anyway? You said they just had to be sorry and promise to do better next time and the slate is clean. There is NO getting around the clear command of God for a blood atonement for sin. It was done every year on the Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur). You don't have atonement for sin if there is no blood sacrifice.
It sounds like you are completely ignorant of what Protestants/Evangelicals think and know about the New Testament - which may explain why you are so anti-Christian. Either that or you are making up lies in order to deceive.
> is the “Oral” Torah written down? Aren’t you making man’s interpretation of God’s word equal to the written Divine revelation?
Moses received the entire Torah from G-d, both the Written Torah and the Oral Torah. The Written Torah of the Five Books of Moses contains all the Divine precepts. The Oral Torah is the explanation of all the commandments, which are very concisely recorded in those Five Books. The Written Torah and the Oral Torah are inseparable. There is total inter-dependence between them. The Oral Torah was recorded in formal written texts in the Talmudic and Midrashic writings. It includes the Mishnah, Talmud, works of Torah Law and so on.
> You don’t have atonement for sin if there is no blood sacrifice.
That is not the Torah Law.
Allow me the privilege of saying again. Horse hockey. I don’t think I have agreed with you, on even one single, solitary thing you have brought up, but I have that privilege.
I know you’re not into the New Testament. So be it. I will still quote it to you, like it or not.
1st John 2:19. “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.” Just my opinion bro, but I get this feeling, that you went out, for just exactly the reason posted in that verse.
Now, me and quite a few other more intelligent people have tried to tell you the truth. You reject it. So, Hebrews 10:31. “It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.” God is going to have a field day with some. I hope you wise up before then, and get out of what I think is a false religion. Good luck with that. You will need it.
So GOD, Himself, has spoken to you directly and convinced you of the things you now believe in.
No humans were involved at all.
You’ve seen the logic involved, too; eh?
I see.
Just like Rome.
It gave the world the Bible; then has gone on and explained 'what it means'.
There are strong arguments in favor of the Oral Torah.
22“These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly at the mountain from the midst of the fire, of the cloud and of the thick gloom, with a great voice, and He added no more.
He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.
Deuteronomy 5:22 NASB
Gentiles do not have a commandment to learn the Written Torah.
8Then Hilkiah the high priest said to Shaphan the scribe, “I have found the book of the law in the house of the LORD.” And Hilkiah gave the book to Shaphan who read it. 9Shaphan the scribe came to the king and brought back word to the king and said, “Your servants have emptied out the money that was found in the house, and have delivered it into the hand of the workmen who have the oversight of the house of the LORD.” 10Moreover, Shaphan the scribe told the king saying, “Hilkiah the priest has given me a book.” And Shaphan read it in the presence of the king. 11When the king heard the words of the book of the law, he tore his clothes. 12Then the king commanded Hilkiah the priest, Ahikam the son of Shaphan, Achbor the son of Micaiah, Shaphan the scribe, and Asaiah the king’s servant saying, 13“Go, inquire of the LORD for me and the people and all Judah concerning the words of this book that has been found, for great is the wrath of the LORD that burns against us, because our fathers have not listened to the words of this book, to do according to all that is written concerning us.”
2 Kings 22:8-13 NASB
> God has given us the written word for a reason.
Indeed. The Written Torah contains all the Divine precepts. But practically all of the precepts appear non-understandable. Their practical applications are neither defined nor explained in the text.
Yep. Makes me wonder if any of these people have ever heard of the Passover? Do any of these Noah people see any symbolism in it, such as, why did the death angel pass over the homes where the blood of the lamb was over their door? Are they like the Jews, still looking for the coming of the Messiah?
When Jesus of Nazareth (I AM) was walking the earth, the fallen angels recognized him, and knew exactly who He was, but the Pharisees did not. It would appear to me, nothing has changed at all. It is a works based cult, as much into exclusivism as any, where oral tradition trumps the written word of God. What does anyone expect, when the Spirit Of God is not involved? In vain do they worship Him, teaching for doctrine, the commandments of men (Oral Torah)
I have to admit, I never heard of this cult, until fairly recently. And yes, given the same set of circumstances, they would still say, give us Barabbas, though I wonder if they even know who he was?
You make the argument of the Gnostics. Only they could understand the “hidden” knowledge. God’s Word is given so we can understand it. I encourage all to read His Word and seek His wisdom. He will answer.
> You make the argument of the Gnostics. Only they could understand the “hidden” knowledge.
The Written Torah and the Oral Torah are fundamentals of Torah learning. They are not “hidden” at all. If you meant the secret part of Torah that is called Kabbala, I do not learn it.
. Which is it? We can understand them or we can't. You're all over the place.
> We can understand them or we can’t.
We can understand them with the Oral Torah.
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