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To: nopardons
I knew “Hal Clement,” a published but not famous sci-fi guy. He was my science teacher, 2nd semester, 9th grade, 1961-62.

I met up with him again in 1973 when I was in a chaplaincy training program near where he lived. Interesting guy. EXCELLENT teacher.

He used the school's observatory to host some science fiction writers. He preset the star systems they mentioned in their books. Cute idea.

He said Le Guin was a PITA. Just FYI.

For 6 months I spent half my time on a GYN floor. I had more than enough time to think about, ah, sex. Among the many I remember was this absolutely stunning young lady. I mean, really. The kind where you have to take a deep breath before you can have a normal, much less a pastoral, conversation. She wasn't just pretty, she was beautiful.

She was in for breast augmentation.

That's just one example. A Lot of issues on the gyn floor were not simply “mechanical” but touched on a patient’s struggles with ... how to say it ... her “validity” as a woman.
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I wore “clericals” which de-emphasized my individuality and, so to speak, neutralized my sex. I've noticed that it's not so easy to tell a 60 year old Zen monk from a 60 year old Zen nun. All the usual ‘signals’ are muted by the shaved head and the voluminous robes.
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As a clergyD00d I found two things. (1) women talk to ministers more than men do. (2) SOME women will make a play for you; they view you as a challenge.
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So, it's not so much the “sex (more or less) at will” feature that got my attention. It was the idea of a people who did not ascertain sex immediately upon meeting someone. It was the idea of people who were usually “gender-neutral.”

As they say, after we know the baby is well, the next question is, “Boy or girl?” What would social dynamics be like if that were not the case?

This, from the POV of a chaplain or pastor (or other counselor), amounts to an admonition not to forget how important gender is to someone’s life experience and weltanschauung.

SO, I thought Le Guin’s premise was ... fun and even useful.
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In one of her sillier novels she said that love is like bread, you have to make it everyday. Again speaking as a (former) pastor, I wish couples would think about that.
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I'm a conservative Catholic. Le Guin would probably disapprove of me. But I still think she amusingly asks some good questions.

18 posted on 12/28/2017 9:02:06 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Sta, si cum canibus magnis currere non potes, in portico.)
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To: Mad Dawg
I read Le Guin back in the late '80s; not out of any desire to read her work ( I'd thankfully never heard of her before! ), always read the required reading assigned to the progeny.

The "sex change at will" was made OBVIOUS and not only was it inappropriate for the grade it had been assigned to, but I found it to be absolute garbage, poorly written, and a ridiculous choice, given how many other great Sci-Fi books available to read instead!

And now we have the insane craze of "I WAS BORN A %$% IN A #%# BODY crap; with the children part of it Munchausen By Proxy child abuse!

So please stop trying to "sell" me on this; it does the complete opposite!

Of course you are welcome to your opinion, but so am I!

If you want to discuss this.Sci-Fi and FANTASY books further, then FRmail me. Otherwise, this discussion is over.

19 posted on 12/28/2017 9:21:15 PM PST by nopardons
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