Posted on 01/11/2018 6:54:52 PM PST by Salvation
Ouch, that’s going to leave a scar. I can’t believe I was involved in it at one time. When I got saved, my family had a funeral for me. Now, two of my sisters have come to faith in the real Jesus of the Bible, not the Jesus of the cults. I am just not into “other gospels”
On the contrary, the prophecy says that a virgin shall conceive and bear a son.
It doesn't say anywhere that she'll remain a virgin through the birth process.
That's only necessary to support Catholicism's doctrine of the perpetual virginity of Mary, which is not ever even alluded to in Scripture.
Scripture is clear that Mary and Joseph had normal marital relations and other children as a result.
Just like the phrases *God the Son* and Mary, mother of God* are nowhere found in Scripture, neither is the phrase *virgin birth*
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The only thing Scripture states is she remained a virgin until Christ was born. After that nothing is said specifically but Christ’s brothers are referred to in some places. All the evidence is Mary and Joseph became a normal married couple once Christ was born. Of course it really doesnt matter unless you want to create an entire mythical concept of Mary and raise her to “queen of heaven” and other blasphemous titles.....
And you can judge all the non-Catholics in the world?
How arrogant.
I simply point out that the actions of the Romanist hierarchy are bearing the marks of false prophets and the spirit of antichrist.
I don’t know why some people here are more upset that I’m refusing to be Catholic because of the Catholic hierarchy protecting child molesters than that the Catholic hierarchy actually protected child molesters.
Unfortunately, you are apparently not even aware of your confusion. I gave you the keys to it. Now apply.
You said it.
And they claim that they don’t worship Mary, only to yell at us that we’re ‘blaspheming the mother of God.’ At least they have on other threads.
Crazy, innit it?
Looks too much in form like one of those old prolix paragraph papal encyclicals!
By claiming an exceptional exception to the norm, the burden of proof is upon you to prove she did not sin. It is simply incongruous that the Holy Spirit would not state that Mary was one of the only persons besides Christ that was sinless, or record perpetual Marian virginity (PMV), seeing that He characteristically records notable exceptions to the norm by even great to lesser characters, from extreme age (Methuselah), to excess size, fingers (Goliath), strength (Samson), barrenness (Hannah), a celibate marriage (David and Abishag), prolonged celibacy (Anna), ascetic diet (John the Baptist), the supernatural transport of Phillip, the singleness of Paul and Barnabas, and uncharacteristic duplicity of Peter, and the surpassing labor and suffering of Paul, birth by a virgin (Mary), to Christ being sinless, which is mentioned at least thrice.
Christ gave His Apostles the command to Preach and Baptize and to bind and loose, and the Holy spirit would be the protector of the Catholic church until the end of time.
Where is the promise of ensured perpetual magisterial infallibility as per Rome. Promising the church will prevail against the gates of Hell and to lead into all Truth does not mean the church can never teach error, while to the degree that a church retains and preaches the convicting gospel of grace, of salvation by grave thru heart-purifying, justifying faith, then they are part of the church which the Lord promised would overcome the gates of Hell, that being the body of Christ, (Colossians 1:18) the one true church to which He is married, (Ephesians 5:25) the "household of faith," (Galatians 6:10) which uniquely only always consists 100% of true believers, and which spiritual body of Christ is what the Spirit baptizes ever believer into, (1Co. 12:13) while organic fellowships in which they express their faith inevitably become admixtures of wheat and tares, with Catholicism and liberal Protestantism being mostly the latter.
Is your RC argument is that an assuredly (if conditionally) infallible magisterium is essential for determination and assurance of Truth (including writings and men being of God) and to fulfill promises of Divine presence, providence of Truth, and preservation of faith, and authority.
And that being the historical instruments and stewards of Divine revelation (oral and written) means that Rome is that assuredly infallible magisterium. Thus any who knowingly dissent from the latter must be in rebellion to God? It seems that is what RCs basically argue.
Sop to be consistent with the literal understanding of such which Caths insist is the correct one, you must conclude that those who deny the Catholic "Real Presence" and do not partake of it do not and cannot have spiritual life within them, nor eternal life, unless they believe and practice as Catholics do concerning this. Do you confirm or dent this and why. Meanwhile see here (by God's grace) to save typing refuting the Catholic contrivance of the Lord's supper, which is not what is seen in the only wholly inspired substantive record of what the NT church believed (including how they understood the gospels).
May you find God’s peace and lose your cynicism about the Catholic Church and Faith.
I was a active weekly mass - going and serving RC who found God’s grace in seeing and experiencing the contrast of Rome with living evangelical faith, and see the contrast with the NT church (and my own) even more clearly since i left, by God's grace.
But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet: “Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel” (which means, God with us). When Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him: he took his wife, but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.
Psalm 69:8 I have become a stranger to my brothers, an alien to my mother's sons.
Matthew 12:46-47 While He was still speaking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him. And someone said to Him, “Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside seeking to speak to You.”
Matthew 13:55 “Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?”
Mark 6:2-3 And when the Sabbath had come, He began to teach in the synagogue; and the many listeners were astonished, saying, “Where did this man get these things, and what is this wisdom given to Him, and such miracles as these performed by His hands?”... “Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James, and Joses, and Judas, and Simon? Are not His sisters here with us?”
John 2:12 After this He went down to Capernaum, He and His mother, and His brothers, and His disciples; and there they stayed a few days.”
Acts 1:14 These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers
1 Corinthians 9:4-5 Do we not have a right to eat and drink? Do we not have a right to take along a believing wife, even as the rest of the apostles, and the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?
Galatians 1:19 But I did not see any other of the apostles except James, the Lord’s brother
Salvation is an individual thing, not a group project.
Every man is accountable for himself alone. He's not accountable for anyone else's actions, nor is anyone else accountable for his.
Salvation is found in Jesus Christ alone.
Doesn't matter what the rest of the world is doing.
This will likely be of interest to you also re Képhas http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2010/11/built-on-sinking-sand-scriptural.html
Absolute nonsense. That is NOT found ANYWHERE in Scripture. That is a Catholic fabrication designed to force people to submit to it.
Never underestimate what a Catholic imagines he can extrapolate out of Scripture.
It’s no wonder they throw the charge of *YOPIOS* out so often.
They are projecting.
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