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To: imardmd1
It's time for ALL of us to read some Scripture...

2 Timothy 2:14 

Remind them of these things, and solemnly charge them in the presence of God
not to wrangle about words, which is useless and leads to the ruin of the hearers.

567 posted on 01/17/2018 3:54:47 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Wrangling is not studios discourse over tenses, vices, moods, cases, etc. that when properly presented, removes the hearer from believing in false doctrine into the presence of the true. Just knowing how the present tense of the Greek is used can wipe out the English ambiguousness thst leads one to think that one's salvation, a gift from God, can be lost.

For The God so lovedsovereignly preferred over self and others the world, so that He gave His Only Begotten Son in order that everyone persistently committing trust unto Him subjunctivenot perish, but subjunctivecontinually have eternal absolute life."

The present tense clearly impresses the Greek-thinker that salvific trusting is a continually ongoing process, in which the regenerated (born-anew) spiritual being cannot and will not revert to the old life of the worldling. If he/she even thought about it, they should know and remember that The Holy Spirit will not permit it. He may even administer physical death, if necessary, to see that cessation of one's trust does not occur. Removal from the temporal to the eternal will ensure that the saved person continues life for ever.

The Scripture does not suggest backsliding for the truly saved person. It is not an option.

2 Cor.13:5 AV:
"Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?"

The God, The Father of regenerated believers, is not just some Big Celestial Buddy of theirs:

Heb 12:7-8 AV:
"If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons."

Applying the sense of the Greekiness of the present tense should solve the "salvation by works" issue permanently, without "wrangling."

572 posted on 01/17/2018 7:54:01 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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